ZionrulZ Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 John Danks. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Who is the better pitcher, Victor Martinez or Adam Dunn? Who is the better hitter, John Danks or Anibal Sanchez? Does Victor Martinez play baseball? Does John Danks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 11:06 AM) Does Victor Martinez play baseball? Does John Danks? John Danks is the better player and is worth more to a team. . He can do everything he is supposed to do. Victor Martinez can hit. He can't play defense. Pitching is always more important than hitting just in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 11:06 AM) Does Victor Martinez play baseball? Does John Danks? Does context matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 There goes my last favorite '05 player. The only jersey I have for a current player now is Peavy. Trying... to get... excited... about... Tyler Flowers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 10:56 AM) John Danks. I agree with this. V-Mart, before his injury, was more or less a league average DH. John Danks, before injury, was an above average pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Let's expand on this, for s--- and giggles...IF Detroit offered Verlander and VMart for Danks and Dunn, would you do it? How about Sanchez and Martinez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 11:38 AM) Let's expand on this, for s--- and giggles...IF Detroit offered Verlander and VMart for Danks and Dunn, would you do it? How about Sanchez and Martinez? Verlander >> Danks > Martinez = Dunn, so easily, yes. Sanchez no, because he is simply not worth the extra $3 million per year You are still changing the argument trying to get me to take Martinez over Danks or something. Seriously. Initial: Would you rather have Zach Greinke or Albert Pujols? Changing argument: If the Dodgers offered Greinke and Gonzalez for Pujols and Weaver, would you do it? Additional: How about if it were Billingsley and Gonzalez? It changes the argument COMPLETELY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Verlander >> Danks > Martinez = Dunn, so easily, yes. Sanchez no, because he is simply not worth the extra $3 million per year You are still changing the argument trying to get me to take Martinez over Danks or something. Seriously. Initial: Would you rather have Zach Greinke or Albert Pujols? Changing argument: If the Dodgers offered Greinke and Gonzalez for Pujols and Weaver, would you do it? Additional: How about if it were Billingsley and Gonzalez? It changes the argument COMPLETELY I think you undervalue Martinez, and overvalue Danks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 12:52 PM) I think you undervalue Martinez, and overvalue Danks. I think your concept of value relative to the arguments you are trying to make is pretty mixed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 I think your concept of value relative to the arguments you are trying to make is pretty mixed up When Danks is 100% healthy, he's an above average (damn good!) SP. Any staff in baseball would love to have him. When VMart is 100% healthy, he is THE best DH in baseball. A dangerous hitter, that would be welcome on any team in baseball. IMO, every day ballplayers are more valuable than SPs. The best SP can only help you win once every 5 games, whereas a position player, even a DH, can potentially help you win every game. Does this make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 01:11 PM) When Danks is 100% healthy, he's an above average (damn good!) SP. Any staff in baseball would love to have him. When VMart is 100% healthy, he is THE best DH in baseball. A dangerous hitter, that would be welcome on any team in baseball. IMO, every day ballplayers are more valuable than SPs. The best SP can only help you win once every 5 games, whereas a position player, even a DH, can potentially help you win every game. Does this make sense? Multiple people have explained that it does not make sense, and a pitcher is more valuable than a hitter. You conveniently forget that this hitter does not play defense, therefore reducing his value as an everyday player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 01:11 PM) When Danks is 100% healthy, he's an above average (damn good!) SP. Any staff in baseball would love to have him. When VMart is 100% healthy, he is THE best DH in baseball. A dangerous hitter, that would be welcome on any team in baseball. IMO, every day ballplayers are more valuable than SPs. The best SP can only help you win once every 5 games, whereas a position player, even a DH, can potentially help you win every game. Does this make sense? There is a large Dominican man in Boston who strongly disagrees with that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 01:21 PM) Multiple people have explained that it does not make sense, and a pitcher is more valuable than a hitter. You conveniently forget that this hitter does not play defense, therefore reducing his value as an everyday player. It's more a matter of marginal value. At their best, it would be much harder to replace Danks' production than Martinez's production. Martinez is a terrific hitter when healthy, but it's not difficult to find a pretty decent hitter to plug in at DH, hell we all remember the Jim Thome fiasco. Finding a replacement for a #3 starter (possibly low-end #2 starter) is extremely difficult. The dropoff would be much more significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 They are spiking the Northbrook water supply with something fierce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 12:52 PM) I think you undervalue Martinez, and overvalue Danks. You are asking at their very best? This is a joke, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 You are asking at their very best? This is a joke, right? Let me take a different approach...let's suppose that last season, the Tigers had a 100% healthy Victor Martinez and the Sox hada 100% healthy John Danks. Do you think the Sox or the Tigers would have won the division? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 03:07 PM) Let me take a different approach...let's suppose that last season, the Tigers had a 100% healthy Victor Martinez and the Sox hada 100% healthy John Danks. Do you think the Sox or the Tigers would have won the division? Why? The Tigers, because the difference between the 2 players is not > 3 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 02:07 PM) Let me take a different approach...let's suppose that last season, the Tigers had a 100% healthy Victor Martinez and the Sox hada 100% healthy John Danks. Do you think the Sox or the Tigers would have won the division? Why? Considering if Martinez was 100%, the Tigers wouldn't have signed Prince, I'd say the White Sox for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 My final answer is Volvo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Considering if Martinez was 100%, the Tigers wouldn't have signed Prince, I'd say the White Sox for sure. Now, add Torii Hunter to the mix (and Fielder/Martinez) and add Keppinger and Danks, and subtract Youkilis and Pierzynski...who's better now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 02:36 PM) Now, add Torii Hunter to the mix (and Fielder/Martinez) and add Keppinger and Danks, and subtract Youkilis and Pierzynski...who's better now? If everyone plays exactly like last year, and the rosters are final as currently constructed, its obvious. But that is not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 02:36 PM) Now, add Torii Hunter to the mix (and Fielder/Martinez) and add Keppinger and Danks, and subtract Youkilis and Pierzynski...who's better now? If the Sox win the division last year, the game is way different at this point. The Tigers wouldn't have had nearly as much money to spend, and the Sox would have had a lot more as the bandwagon fans would have filled up the joint for the playoffs. One change invalidates everything after it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 02:36 PM) Now, add Torii Hunter to the mix (and Fielder/Martinez) and add Keppinger and Danks, and subtract Youkilis and Pierzynski...who's better now? But what about Papa Grande and Rey Olmedo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 True. My point is (at least on paper) the Tigers and the Royals have greatly improved their teams so far this off season, while the Sox (at best) have not, (and might not be as good as they were last season.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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