Reddy Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 03:18 PM) And because Reddy cited the Hobbit earlier. Samwise Gamgee: I know. It's all wrong. By rights we shouldn't even be here. But we are. It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo; the ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end... because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was, when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines, it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you, that meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something. Frodo Baggins: What are we holding on to, Sam? Samwise Gamgee: That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it's worth fighting for. :wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 01:28 PM) and you're being intentionally obtuse (what new?) if you're thinking "but drugs DO kill kids all over the world!" drugs are something someone does to THEMSELVES. guns, well, they kill innocent children who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Drugs just magically appear in the hands of kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 02:32 PM) Drugs just magically appear in the hands of kids? Sometimes yes, I wonder how the hell people get all this s***. But I think his point was that no one is like, directly injecting people with heroin and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 08:23 PM) 10 Things Christians and Atheists Can (and Must) Agree On Good article. I have no idea if there is a God or not. I can't prove it. I believe there is one and celebrate at an organized religion (my choice is Catholic), but I don't see how either side can say with absolute certainty there is a God. It cannot be proven either way as far as I can tell. I know some atheists and have nothing against their position because there may be a God, there may not be a God. Who the f*** can prove it either way?? Edited December 16, 2012 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 02:38 PM) Good article. I have no idea if there is a God or not. I can't prove it. I believe there is one and celebrate at an organized religion (my choice is Catholic), but I don't see how either side can say with absolute certainty there is a God. It cannot be proven either way as far as I can tell. I know some atheists and have nothing against their position because there may be a God, there may not be a God. Who the f*** can prove it either way?? No one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 My heart goes out to this dad who lost his daughter. What a classy person he is. Interesting, typical God vs. no God arguments in the comments section below the article. http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/16/us/connectic....html?hpt=hp_c2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 03:08 PM) My heart goes out to this dad who lost his daughter. What a classy person he is. Interesting, typical God vs. no God arguments in the comments section below the article. http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/16/us/connectic....html?hpt=hp_c2 Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 One of the details I'm finding to be somewhat interesting today is that it appears the mother of the shooter was one of those survivalist/doomsday prepper types. That's out from a couple sources now, this link is one of htem. That does explain why she'd have an assault-style rifle in the house. Last night it also emerged Nancy was a member of the Doomsday Preppers movement, which believes people should prepare for end of the world. Her former sister-in-law Marsha said she had turned her home ‘into a fortress’. She added: ‘Nancy had a survivalist philosophy which is why she was stockpiling guns. She had them for defense. ‘She was stockpiling food. She grew up on a farm in New Hampshire. She was skilled with guns. We talked about preppers and preparing for the economy collapsing.’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 03:31 PM) One of the details I'm finding to be somewhat interesting today is that it appears the mother of the shooter was one of those survivalist/doomsday prepper types. That's out from a couple sources now, this link is one of htem. That does explain why she'd have an assault-style rifle in the house. paging mr. genius, engage the right-wing nut tracking system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 02:36 PM) Sometimes yes, I wonder how the hell people get all this s***. But I think his point was that no one is like, directly injecting people with heroin and stuff. No gun dealer is directly shooting kids either. It was a terrible comparison. Drugs kill something like 10X's as many people as firearms, and they are illegal. It was a horrible pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 04:52 PM) No gun dealer is directly shooting kids either. It was a terrible comparison. Drugs kill something like 10X's as many people as firearms, and they are illegal. It was a horrible pick. Huh? Where on Earth are you getting that number? Are you counting worldwide somehow? 10x as many as firearms would, in this country require drugs to kill 300k or so per year. That'd be at the level of cancer. They're about the same level, 30-40k per year. In 2008 for example, there were ~36000 deaths from drugs, ~20k of which were cases involving drugs that were legal or available with a prescription. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Link. There might be people at this site who live in Cedar Lake, this is in Lake County IN, just south of Merrillville and East of Crown Point. A northern Indiana man who allegedly threatened to "kill as many people as he could" at an elementary school near his home was arrested by officers who later found 47 guns and ammunition hidden throughout his home. Von. I. Meyer, 60, of Cedar Lake, was arrested Saturday after prosecutors filed formal charges of felony intimidation, domestic battery and resisting law enforcement against him. He was being held Sunday without bond at the Lake County Jail, pending an initial hearing on the charges, police said in a statement. Cedar Lake Police officers were called to Meyer's home early Friday after he allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire once she fell asleep, the statement said. Meyer also threatened to enter nearby Jane Ball Elementary School "and kill as many people as he could before police could stop him," the statement said. Meyer's home is less than 1,000 feet from the school and linked to it by trails and paths through a wooded area, police said. Police said in the statement that they notified school officials and boosted security at all area schools Friday - the same day 26 people, including 20 students, were shot and killed at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. On Saturday, officers served warrants at Meyer's home and arrested him. The statement said police had learned that Meyer kept many weapons in his older, two-story home and "is a known member of the Invaders Motorcycle Gang." Officers searched the home, finding 47 guns and ammunition worth more than $100,000 hidden throughout the home. Many of the weapons were collector's guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 03:52 PM) No gun dealer is directly shooting kids either. It was a terrible comparison. Drugs kill something like 10X's as many people as firearms, and they are illegal. It was a horrible pick. A whole lot of drug-related violence doubles up as gun violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 04:01 PM) Link. There might be people at this site who live in Cedar Lake, this is in Lake County IN, just south of Merrillville and East of Crown Point. Holy s***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 05:25 PM) Holy s***. Yeah, I've been in that community many times trying to sell vacuums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 So has anyone heard about the mom not being a teacher there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 05:46 PM) So has anyone heard about the mom not being a teacher there? Yes. She was definitely not a full time teacher there. It's been a little unclear if she was ever a substitute teacher there, but the answer actually seems to be moving towards "no" over the last day or so, although if she had done so 10 years ago there just might not be any easily found documents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 04:52 PM) No gun dealer is directly shooting kids either. It was a terrible comparison. Drugs kill something like 10X's as many people as firearms, and they are illegal. It was a horrible pick. no, the comparison wasn't terrible, your gross misinterpretation was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 05:49 PM) Yes. She was definitely not a full time teacher there. It's been a little unclear if she was ever a substitute teacher there, but the answer actually seems to be moving towards "no" over the last day or so, although if she had done so 10 years ago there just might not be any easily found documents. well there goes the "he killed those kids because they got all the attention" theory....Things got a little more twisted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 03:10 PM) Damn. I saw that live. I can't believe that dude is only 30. Tragedy ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) http://news.yahoo.com/adam-lanzas-mom-pull...cGFnZQ--;_ylv=3 Apparently, the shooter's mom did have a connection to the school and school district, after all. The aunt of Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza said the shooter's mother pulled him out of Newtown's public school system because she was unhappy with the school district's plans for her son. Marsha Lanza, who is Adam's aunt and Nancy's ex-sister-in-law, called her former sister-in-law an "awesome ... giving person." She also told Evelyn Holmes of ABC-owned-and-operated station WLS in Chicago that Nancy had once been a classroom aide at the Sandy Hook school. "She mentioned she wound up home-schooling him because she battled with the school district," said Marsha. She did not know when Adam had left school. According to former classmates, Adam had attended the local high school at least through part of 10th grade. Adam Lanza (pictured above in 2005) was 20 years old before he died on Friday — it was not yet clear as of Friday evening whether he took his own life or whether it was taken. His brother, Ryan, who was mistakenly identified as the shooter earlier Friday, described his younger brother as having a "personality disorder," either Asperger's or a form of autism, reports ABC News — but he hadn't seen him since 2010, Ryan told authorities, according to The New York Post. Neighbors described Adam Lanza to ABC as "odd" and displaying characteristics associated with OCD. People with Asperger's sometimes display "behaviors beyond their control," according to this med-help.org site. Though there is not much research on the connection between violent crimes and autism, one study found 15 percent of juveniles evaluated in a "forensic setting" in Sweden had autistic spectrum disorders. (Asperger's is no longer classified as a form of autism.) Another law enforcement official told Fox that Adam Lanza had a "checkered past ... troubled youth for most of his life," but CNN is reporting that he had no criminal record. http://news.yahoo.com/adam-lanza-think-kno...cGFnZQ--;_ylv=3 Adam does appear to have had a girlfriend who the AP says has gone missing, along with a friend of his. Edited December 17, 2012 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Did that "I am Adam Lanza's mother" blog post wind up in here? Can't remember if it was just here or a dozen times on my facebook feed. Want the Truth Behind “I Am Adam Lanza’s Mother”? Read her blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Seems like the Westboro Baptist Church finally crossed the line. They plan to picket the children's funerals. And now America is pissed. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/l...H2d#thank-you=p Sign this petition to have them legally recognized as a hate group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 07:07 PM) Seems like the Westboro Baptist Church finally crossed the line. They plan to picket the children's funerals. And now America is pissed. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/l...H2d#thank-you=p Sign this petition to have them legally recognized as a hate group. i'm pretty sure they crossed the line years ago. nothing is too low for them to do. Edited December 17, 2012 by mr_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 07:36 PM) i'm pretty sure they crossed the line years ago. nothing is too low for them to do. I mean at this point where there finally is a petition against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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