Connecticut school shooting

[witesoxfan]

The really weird, coincidental thing about all of this is that within the 30 days, there was a random, unprovoked shooting spree in Newtown, North Dakota. The shooter went into a random house, killed a grandmother, 3 grandchildren (none older than like 9 or 11), and then, as police were trying to detain the shooter, he slit his own throat.

 

As I understood, the kids father was pretty important within the Native American tribe up here, and he had some anti-social tendencies.

[Steve9347]

Raised Catholic, but not much of a believer in a man made God. I believe that the primer mover represents what people believe is God. If the big bang was that prime mover...than to me, the big bang represents God. I have no problems with people believing in God, being spiritual, or whatever it takes to make them peaceful people. I don't even care if they use it in speeches, or for a way to speak about mourning, etc...so long as you don't use it as an opportunity to recruit or allow it to sway objectivity when science says otherwise. For an example of this, see Carl Everett claiming dinosaurs never existed. If you allow your religious beliefs to blind you to that extent, then I do have a problem with you.

 

I have no problems with Obama's comments. None at all.

 

I find it hilarious that people make fun of Scientology for their "insane beliefs" of an alien race, call it a man made religion, etc...yet most of these same people believe in a ghost floating in the sky from a different man made religion. Let me ask what's more likely, a God like extraterritorial race, or an invisible benevolent guy floating in the sky, watching on as things this mass shooting took place? Case rested.

[Quin]

Greg, nobody here is saying that Obama being a religious man or that speech is offensive. Huckabee(and you) is saying that the removal of god from a public school is the reason that this happened. That is absolute bulls***.

 

This isnt a matter of believing and non believing

 

[greg775]

I swear that if WBC members showed up to a funeral of a family member of mine to protest it, whether it would be because one of those little kids were related to me or if God forbid one of my cousins in Iraq (two were serving there) were killed, they'd have to peel me away from them.

 

These are some sick twisted f***s.

 

They are the scum of the earth, but I think the reason nobody ever beats the hell out of them at funerals is a.) they are lawyers and are dying to sue people and b.) if you actually look at them or talk to them you realize they are not worth your fists. They just say the same things over and over and they just seem like trash if that's the right word. It's not worth the effort to punch them and I think people see that when they approach them.

[bmags]

They are the scum of the earth, but I think the reason nobody ever beats the hell out of them at funerals is a.) they are lawyers and are dying to sue people and b.) if you actually look at them or talk to them you realize they are not worth your fists. They just say the same things over and over and they just seem like trash if that's the right word. It's not worth the effort to punch them and I think people see that when they approach them.

 

and maybe, just maybe, that it's better to rise above then to use violence against people. Maybe?

[greg775]

and maybe, just maybe, that it's better to rise above then to use violence against people. Maybe?

 

True, but like Mex said, their positions are pretty damn despicable. It takes a lot of restraint for the relatives of fallen soldiers to hear a bunch of trash-asses from Topeka screaming "God hates XXXX" at the funeral of their loved ones. And the Topeka dips***s get as close to the funeral ceremonies as they can legally. These people are contenders for the most low-rent piece of s*** hate group out there today. They are so pathetic, that up close and personal, I don't think they are worth a fist.

Edited December 18, 2012 by greg775

[southsider2k5]

True, but like Mex said, their positions are pretty damn despicable. It takes a lot of restraint for the relatives of fallen soldiers to hear a bunch of trash-asses from Topeka screaming "God hates XXXX" at the funeral of their loved ones. And they get as close to the funeral ceremonies as they can. These people are contenders for the most low-rent piece of s*** hate group out there today.

 

Not really. They aren't actually hurting anyone. Pedofiles, rapists, murders, etc are way lower on the food chain. These guys are just screaming for attention and protesting funerals.

[greg775]

Not really. They aren't actually hurting anyone. Pedofiles, rapists, murders, etc are way lower on the food chain. These guys are just screaming for attention and protesting funerals.

 

True, but I think they are contenders for the worst hate group. They do some pretty hateful things. One of my favorite stories of all time is how the Texas A&M students formed a human wall around them to protect a funeral. I think they are hurting a lot of people by the way. A lot of people want to celebrate their loved ones lives at funerals of their loved ones, not deal with some f***s from Topeka screaming, "God hates XXXs."

[Soxbadger]

True, but I think they are contenders for the worst hate group. They do some pretty hateful things. One of my favorite stories of all time is how the Texas A&M students formed a human wall around them to protect a funeral. I think they are hurting a lot of people by the way. A lot of people want to celebrate their loved ones lives at funerals of their loved ones, not deal with some f***s from Topeka screaming, "God hates XXXs."

 

Im pretty sure that most of the top hate group spots are reserved for groups who actually killed people. You know, the Nazis, KKK, etc.

 

Jerks doing stupid things are just idiots.

Edited December 18, 2012 by Soxbadger

[bmags]

True, but I think they are contenders for the worst hate group. They do some pretty hateful things. One of my favorite stories of all time is how the Texas A&M students formed a human wall around them to protect a funeral. I think they are hurting a lot of people by the way. A lot of people want to celebrate their loved ones lives at funerals of their loved ones, not deal with some f***s from Topeka screaming, "God hates XXXs."

 

Well, neonazi and klu klux klan groups have actually killed people, so I think we can put them below this group.

[southsider2k5]

Im pretty sure that most of the top hate group spots are reserved for groups who actually killed people. You know, the Nazis, KKK, etc.

 

Jerks doing stupid things are just idiots.

 

Exactly.

[greg775]

Exactly.

 

Fred Phelps is total scum.

[Jake]

Greg, this is for you. Might give you a better perspective on the complaints of the Huckabees and O'Reilly's of the world from a very non-secular point of view.

 

http://rachelheldevans.com/blog/god-kept-out

[MexSoxFan#1]

Libertarian columnist Megan McArdle has just wrote the most idiotic idea ever on the internet...she says we should start training kids to rush gunmen to prevent further attacks.

 

Unbelievable...

 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/18/1...dex+(Daily+Kos)

Edited December 19, 2012 by MexSoxFan#1

[StrangeSox]

that might have been posted in the other thread but yeah, after a big long post lamenting how we just can't do anything to stop these terrible tragedies, she recommends people rushing the shooters.

 

I think Chait was the first in the blog-world to highlight that:

 

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/...tion-award.html

 

Are you kidding me? You think gun control is impractical, so your plan is to turn the entire national population, including young children, into a standby suicide squad? Through private initiative, of course. It’s way more feasible than gun control!

 

McArdle does allow that such behavior runs contrary to instinct. Well, yes. Teaching even fairly aggressive young boys who are learning football to avoid their self-preservation instinct and crash into their opponent full speed rather than shying away from contact usually takes rigorous, lengthy training. This is when they’re wearing a helmet and full-body padding and going up against a kid their age. Trying to get them to fling their bodies into danger in a situation where they’re in shock, have no protection, and are facing an adult with a gun rather than a kid with a football is beyond impossible.

 

Unless I am missing a very subtle parody of libertarianism, McArdle’s plan to teach children to launch banzai charges against mass murderers is the single worst solution to any problem I have ever seen offered in a major publication. Newsweek, I award this essay no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[witesoxfan]

Aligning myself primarily with libertarians, I will just say that is the worst idea I've ever heard in my entire life unless you are training an army to have no fear and to conquer Europe.

[Y2HH]

Libertarian columnist Megan McArdle has just wrote the most idiotic idea ever on the internet...she says we should start training kids to rush gunmen to prevent further attacks.

 

Unbelievable...

 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/18/1...dex+(Daily+Kos)

 

The best thing about the Internet is it gave idiots a very loud voice. The worst thing about the Internet is it gave idiots a very loud voice.

 

The next best thing about the Internet is it gave those of us who read these stores the ability to ... 1) not read them, 2) not spread them, 3) not make the writer of them famous

 

By spreading these stories, they become sensationalized regardless of reason...good or bad...ad revenue rises for that writers page, and they've now found a successful voice in posting absurd thoughts that people will continue to read and spread for them. It's like a virus.

 

The best thing you and everyone else can do when they read absurd stories on the Internet is to NOT spread them.

 

When the village idiot says something stupid, don't go spread the village idiots word around the neighborhood...because he's an idiot.

[Reddy]

Aligning myself primarily with libertarians, I will just say that is the worst idea I've ever heard in my entire life unless you are training an army to have no fear and to conquer Europe.

it worked in Ender's Game

[StrangeSox]

Well, we all thought it would be hard to top McArdle, but Charlotte Allen is now lapping the field

 

There was not a single adult male on the school premises when the shooting occurred*. In this school of 450 students, a sizeable number of whom were undoubtedly 11- and 12-year-old boys** (it was a K-6 school***), all the personnel - the teachers, the principal, the assistant principal, the school psychologist, the "reading specialist" - were female****. There didn't even seem to be a male janitor to heave his bucket at Adam Lanza's knees*****. Women and small children are sitting ducks for mass-murderers. The principal, Dawn Hochsprung, seemed to have performed bravely. According to reports, she activated the school's public-address system and also lunged at Lanza, before he shot her to death. Some of the teachers managed to save all or some of their charges by rushing them into closets or bathrooms. But in general, a feminized setting is a setting in which helpless passivity is the norm. Male aggression can be a good thing, as in protecting the weak - but it has been forced out of the culture of elementary schools and the education schools that train their personnel. Think of what Sandy Hook might have been like if a couple of male teachers who had played high-school football, or even some of the huskier 12-year-old boys, had converged on Lanza.

 

Read more: Charlotte Allen Newtown Shooting Comments - Today's McArdle Award Winner - Esquire http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/char...2#ixzz2FbUP4Wl6

*False

**There were not 11 and 12 yo's

***It's K-4

****There are two male teachers on staff

*****There was a male janitor, though I'm not sure why you'd bring a bucket to a gun fight

 

Yeah, adult females are a bunch of feminized weaklings incapable of stopping a man with a gun, but "huskier 12-year-old boys" are known to be impervious to bullets!

 

Y2HH I know what you're saying, but these are people writing for somewhat major publications. Ignoring them won't make them go away. Ridicule and scorn for their terrible ideas might, or at least lets you vent. I'll point out that both Mex and I linked to people mocking them and not the original articles.

 

 

 

 

[BigSqwert]

**Hmm. What's Y2HH getting all worked up about? I'll go read the post he's referring to.**

 

/irony

[Steve9347]

it worked in Ender's Game

Great book - and I imagine they will botch the movie.

[Reddy]

Great book - and I imagine they will botch the movie.

god i hope not...

[Steve9347]

Well, we all thought it would be hard to top McArdle, but Charlotte Allen is now lapping the field

 

 

*False

**There were not 11 and 12 yo's

***It's K-4

****There are two male teachers on staff

*****There was a male janitor, though I'm not sure why you'd bring a bucket to a gun fight

 

Yeah, adult females are a bunch of feminized weaklings incapable of stopping a man with a gun, but "huskier 12-year-old boys" are known to be impervious to bullets!

 

Y2HH I know what you're saying, but these are people writing for somewhat major publications. Ignoring them won't make them go away. Ridicule and scorn for their terrible ideas might, or at least lets you vent. I'll point out that both Mex and I linked to people mocking them and not the original articles.

I wish Charlotte Allen nothing but harm. Thankfully, karma exists.

[Balta1701]

I wish Charlotte Allen nothing but harm. Thankfully, karma exists.

Really?

 

In a thread about a school shooting you write things like that?

 

Can't we have a little more dignity than actually wishing people harm?

[bmags]

Really?

 

In a thread about a school shooting you write things like that?

 

Can't we have a little more dignity than actually wishing people harm?

 

I agree. I have no way of putting it succinctly, and I know saying it like this is likely to offend, but attitudes like that expressed above I feel is a great representation of the culture that needs to change.