Connecticut school shooting

[witesoxfan]

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/20...-profile/60011/

 

Asperger's is a different beast. For a while, we thought my brother - coincidentally, also 20 - had Asperger's, and for all we know he might. It's a very high functioning form of autism where the person has some difficulty expressing themselves socially, they fixate on one hobby extensively for a period of time, and then they simply forget about it and pick up something at times to the detriment of the previous hobby (a hamster will no longer be fed, a car will remain on blocks, etc). They also will talk to you ad nauseum about said hobby and won't detect the signs that you aren't interested or that you are unknowledgable of the topic itself, and it can frustrate them when they don't feel they are getting even basic attention even if you are spending as much time with them as you can. If the person doesn't feel they are getting the attention they deserve, they can act out violently and irrationally.

[Texsox]

I stopped my class around 2:00 and we talked for a few minutes then watched President Obama. My mom sent her second text message ever asking me if we had good security at my school. I explained they had Fox 40 whistles, the best whistles made.

 

The lesson I taught about this, as it was happening, was how chaotic the reporting will be. How "facts" will change as the night leads to morning, as the weekend becomes next week. I even said serious mistakes, like the identity of victims or even the shooter may be made. Before the internet, the newspaper would have hours and hours typically to verify, now they are under pressure to report what they are told, as they learn it.

 

BTW, not certain if it changes any opinions, but the parents have to agree to allow their children to be interviewed. I would have allowed my own kids to be interviewed. I did not see a problem with the interviews that CNN ran. They were first hand witnesses and could tell the story better than anyone.

[BigEdWalsh]

Asperger's is a different beast. For a while, we thought my brother - coincidentally, also 20 - had Asperger's, and for all we know he might. It's a very high functioning form of autism where the person has some difficulty expressing themselves socially, they fixate on one hobby extensively for a period of time, and then they simply forget about it and pick up something at times to the detriment of the previous hobby (a hamster will no longer be fed, a car will remain on blocks, etc). They also will talk to you ad nauseum about said hobby and won't detect the signs that you aren't interested or that you are unknowledgable of the topic itself, and it can frustrate them when they don't feel they are getting even basic attention even if you are spending as much time with them as you can. If the person doesn't feel they are getting the attention they deserve, they can act out violently and irrationally.

I have an 18 yr old daughter with Aspergers. You totally described her, well except for acting out violently, but irrationally, yeah for sure.

[southsideirish71]

As a father of two small children my heart is broken thinking of what those parents are going through. My children are my world they are innocence personified just as all children are. Anyone who raises a hand or harms a child is a evil in the flesh.

 

May the children rest in peace.

 

 

 

 

The news organizations are providing me with a level of disgust. This is news. I understand that. Asking a small child interview questions on this type of crime is a joke. If a parent wants to step up and report what their child says that's one thing. Seeing a 8 year old getting prodded by a news reporter, So did you see the bullets, did you hear anything. The tabloid media salivates over our misery and I for one am disgusted. The kids have been through enough.

[Jordan4life_2007]

This is awful beyond description. But so was Columbine. So was Virginia Tech. So was Aurora Colorado. So are any of these high profile rampages that take place. This has become normal now. But the non-high profile tragedies are JUST as bad. I get so sick of media-frenzied debacles being prioritized over boring street crime. s***, the thing that happened on the subway in Philly was just as senseless as what happened today. Just because the media didn't go apes*** over it doesn't make it any less horrible. Just because Obama didn't call for action (he gave almost word for word the same boring ass speech he gave after the movie tragedy) doesn't make it less important. This is the world we live in today and there ain't s*** anybody can do about it. I've accepted it. Others should as well.

[StrangeSox]

It's an elementary school surrounded by woods in something of a rural area, as much as there is in that part of the country. I doubt the doors were locked, and the probably was no security. There probably was a principal who had a view of the main entrance, but he could probably walk in at his leisure.

I walked right into my wife.s school to drop something off before. There's no locked doors our security checkpoints.

[SoxAce]

This is all were talking about here at work. Just sad and sickening. Kindergarten kids.. that's as sick as it gets.

[whitesoxfan99]

I don't have kids but this really hit me hard today.

 

Also, this may not be the right place for this but how the f*** can anyone believe or more importantly worship a god that is all knowing and all powerful when things like this happen. If a god does exist and really is all knowing and all powerful, I say that it can go f*** itself.

[Jake]

I don't have kids but this really hit me hard today.

 

Also, this may not be the right place for this but how the f*** can anyone believe or more importantly worship a god that is all knowing and all powerful when things like this happen. If a god does exist and really is all knowing and all powerful, I say that it can go f*** itself.

 

This is one of the most discussed issues in the humanities/philosophy/theology. While I don't believe in God, there are several different ways this has been taken on that make it a little more logical. And then there's always the "he works in mysterious ways/knows more about stuff than you" argument

[EvilJester99]

I was just reading over in China there was a guy who stabbed 22 kids and one teacher today as well.. WTF is with these crazy mofos

[Reddy]

I was just reading over in China there was a guy who stabbed 22 kids and one teacher today as well.. WTF is with these crazy mofos

refer to the second page of this thread. none of them died. thus guns = more deadly than no guns. ruins all 2nd amendmenters arguments

 

EDIT: by this thread, i meant the other gun thread...

Edited December 15, 2012 by Reddy

[caulfield12]

I was just reading over in China there was a guy who stabbed 22 kids and one teacher today as well.. WTF is with these crazy mofos

 

The big difference, of course, is that using a knife is much more difficult than a gun...and it seems all of those injured will survive, and few of the injuries are considered life threatening.

 

Here in China, much of this kind of violence is economic-related. Perhaps frustration with the government, their lack of opportunity in the "new" China, usually due to lack of education...the cavern between the majority of China and the top top 10%ers, especially when many of the political elite reached those positions due to bribery/corruption in the eyes of the people, and not based on merit.

 

Of course, the biggest difference in these two cases is the fact that it's absolutely illegal for a private citizen to have a gun, and this law is ruthlessly enforced.

 

 

Police catch man suspected of injuring 22 students

Updated: 2012-12-15 02:40 ( XINHUA and CHINA DAILY in Zhengzhou) Comments(1) Print Mail Large Medium SmallPolice on Friday morning detained a man suspected of using a knife to injure 22 students and a villager at the gate of a primary school in Central China's Henan province.

 

Min Yingjun, a 36-year-old villager, attacked students at Chenpeng Village Primary School in Guangshan county in the city of Xinyang at about 7:40 am, said Liu Qingdong, head of the county government's publicity department.

 

The injured students were sent to three hospitals in the county. Their injuries were not considered life-threatening.

 

The motive behind the attack remains unclear and the case is still under investigation.

 

Hearing of the violence, many Internet users went online to condemn it in micro blogs.

 

"It's raining in Guangshan now," wrote Li Kai, a reporter at the Dahe Daily. "It must be God weeping for innocent children. I can't understand why the suspect was so cold-blooded."

 

It wasn't the first time students in China had become the victims of such acts of violence.

 

Zheng Minsheng, a former community doctor, stabbed eight children to death and injured five others in front of a primary school in Nanping of South China's Fujian province on March 23, 2010.

 

Yang Jiaqin, a former village doctor with a mental illness, used a knife to kill an 8-year-old boy and an 80-year-old woman and injured three other children and two other adults in front of a primary school in Hepu county, the Guangxi Zhuang autonomous region, in April 2010.

 

Wang Yonglai, 45, a villager from Weifang in East China's Shandong province, broke into a local kindergarten and attacked children with a hammer in April 2010, injuring five. He then set himself on fire and died from his injuries.

 

Most of the culprits in these crimes have been middle-aged men who were dissatisfied with their lives and pessimistic about their futures, said Yang Yongchao, a psychologist at Zhengzhou No 8 People's Hospital.

 

Some of them had become resentful of society after their attempts to improve their livelihood were frustrated, Yang said.

 

Chen Wei, a Beijing-based lawyer with Yingke Law Firm who specializes in cases involving women and children, said certain Chinese schools, especially in rural and poor areas, have little or no security measures in place to protect students.

 

"Some schools have no gate watchmen or security guards, which has the potential to endanger students," she said. "And malicious adults at times will try to get a reaction by attacking children, who tend to be weak and can't really fight back."

 

If certain people have a conflict with a neighbor, they may try to get revenge by hurting the neighbor's child, she said.

 

Others, if they think they have been treated unfairly, will resort to extreme measures to attract attention to their cases, she added.

 

Chen suggested that it is safer for parents to escort their children inside schools rather than leaving them at the gate.

Edited December 15, 2012 by caulfield12

[EvilJester99]

To me this shouldn't even be about gun rights or even God... this more speaks to the care of the mentally ill. This kid was messed up and if they would have given him the care he needed this may have been averted. However, I know everyone has their agenda when these things happen.

[Reddy]

To me this shouldn't even be about gun rights or even God... this more speaks to the care of the mentally ill. This kid was messed up and if they would have given him the care he needed this may have been averted. However, I know everyone has their agenda when these things happen.

well, ya know, and the fact that his mom bought 3 semi auto/auto weapons... <_>

[EvilJester99]

well, ya know, and the fact that his mom bought 3 semi auto/auto weapons... <_>

I have several as well... no one in my household is planning on going on a gun rampage... so yeah don't think that holds up. Then again no one is mentally ill in my family either.

[Reddy]

I have several as well... no one in my household is planning on going on a gun rampage... so yeah don't think that holds up. Then again no one is mentally ill in my family either.

out of curiosity - why do you have automatic weapons? what purpose do they serve?

[Reddy]

I have several as well... no one in my household is planning on going on a gun rampage... so yeah don't think that holds up. Then again no one is mentally ill in my family either.

and how the hell do you know???

Edited December 15, 2012 by Reddy

[2nd_city_saint787]

To me this shouldn't even be about gun rights or even God... this more speaks to the care of the mentally ill. This kid was messed up and if they would have given him the care he needed this may have been averted. However, I know everyone has their agenda when these things happen.

 

This. The way wite described aspergers makes it sound plausible that his mother wasn't showing him the attention he needed and he irrationally and violently took it out on his mother and the kids who were getting his mothers attention.

 

I believe someone else came to this conclusion as well and it makes some sense.

[EvilJester99]

out of curiosity - why do you have automatic weapons? what purpose do they serve?

Mine are semi auto.. its illegal to have fully auto. The purpose they serve is to be able to fire off more rounds at a target b4 having to reload them.

[caulfield12]

To me this shouldn't even be about gun rights or even God... this more speaks to the care of the mentally ill. This kid was messed up and if they would have given him the care he needed this may have been averted. However, I know everyone has their agenda when these things happen.

 

 

Another tremendous difference between the US and Asian countries, where there is a tremendous negative stigma attached to seeking any kind of counseling/diagnosis/psychiatric treatment.

 

Not to mention the health care system (in China) doesn't really have a simple mechanism for taking care of these individuals when their families are unable to.

 

It's also an interesting part of the ongoing US health care debate that mental health counseling is one of the first areas to fall victim to budget cutbacks.

[Reddy]

Mine are semi auto.. its illegal to have fully auto. The purpose they serve is to be able to fire off more rounds at a target b4 having to reload them.

yeah no s***. what kind of target?

[2nd_city_saint787]

But then again if he truly does have aspengers and it could result in violent behavior then there should not have been guns accessible in the house

[Reddy]

But then again if he truly does have aspengers and it could result in violent behavior then there should not have been guns accessible in the house

exactly.

 

thus the requirement of a psychiatric profile before being allowed to purchase guns. needs to happen

[EvilJester99]

and how the hell do you know???

I know because I spend time with my family and I pay attention to them. Given people can snap.. but this kid was mentally messed up and they knew it and he needed help. If he would have gotten the help he may not have done this is all I'm saying. Just having a gun doesn't make it more likely people are going to go on rampages.. hell if he didn't have a gun, he could have made pipe bombs, molotov cocktails... what ever to do the job.

[EvilJester99]

yeah no s***. what kind of target?

For me its paper targets. Or anyone who wishes to come in my house uninvited. Other than that I wouldn't shoot at anyone or anything else.