BigSqwert Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I say hell yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) I understand the idea of owning guns to defend yourself against the government. I get the origins of the amendment. However... this was before the government developed flying aircraft and precision missiles. The idea that "I own guns to defend myself against the government" is out of date. Edited December 14, 2012 by Athomeboy_2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I'm going to say this myself and I am going to hope any others might think about it. Anything I wrote right now would be swamped by emotion. I just watched a death toll jump from 3 to 27 while sitting on an exercise bike at the gym and found out that something like 20 of them were kids. This will be my last post in this thread for the day at least. I'll come back, but not today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 an asshole that shoots kids in a school is also an asshole who would also obtain a gun, even if they were illegal. but don't let that get in the way of using kids getting killed for political exploitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 12:53 PM) an asshole that shoots kids in a school is also an asshole who would also obtain a gun, even if they were illegal. but don't let that get in the way of using kids getting killed for political exploitation. Maybe..But would it be easy for him to locate a semi-automatic rifle and a bulletproof vest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 12:55 PM) But would it be easy for him to locate a semi-automatic rifle and a bulletproof vest? wherever he get's his illegal gun will probably have that stuff too. if guns are banned, the black market demand would be huge. think alcohol prohibition big. the bullet proof vest seems to be a non-issue in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 12:53 PM) but don't let that get in the way of using kids getting killed for political exploitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:04 PM) give kids guns is the only solution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 @moshekasher Hey guess what, the constitution might have been wrong about guns. Remember the whole black people thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 01:08 PM) give kids guns is the only solution I almost sarcastically tweeted that if the kids and teacher would have been armed, things would have ended better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Anything can be used as a weapon to kill if the person wants it to. Blaming guns is idiotic IMO. Let's ban automobiles, they cause fatal DUI accidents! Put all the restrictions and bans and laws out there that you want. At the end of the day all you're doing is hurting the law abiding people out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Here we go with the comparisons to automobile accidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:23 PM) Anything can be used as a weapon to kill if the person wants it to. Blaming guns is idiotic IMO. Let's ban automobiles, they cause fatal DUI accidents! Put all the restrictions and bans and laws out there that you want. At the end of the day all you're doing is hurting the law abiding people out there. Man Injures 22 Children in China with a Knife, Kills None so much for your theory jenks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 01:30 PM) Man Injures 22 Children in China with a Knife, Kills None so much for your theory jenks Great, you've proven crazy people do crazy things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:32 PM) Great, you've proven crazy people do crazy things. and that when that person doesn't have a gun, no one DIES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Yeah hows that ban on guns working in the City of Chicago? No one dies from being shot right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Indirectly you justify this asshole's actions by blaming the weapon used, not the person using it. Like it's societies fault for allowing people to have weapons. THAT's what caused this problem, not the crazy psycho that pulled the trigger. That's a f***ed up view of crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 This is going to sound cold as hell, but if you want to live in a free society, you are going to have to accept that there are going to be body counts for that freedom. Even if we were to ban every gun, it would not stop people from murdering each other. I often think about how amazing it is that we have so few of these incidents given how easy it is to kill people in modern society. There is no answer, and if we are going to look at the 2nd amendment, it should be cold and heartless, not on the back of an extreme tragedy. Emotion makes for bad laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 01:33 PM) A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths They still have guns, from your own link - they can own shotguns and air rifles. As far as this: To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you'll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don't forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years. I'm fine with all of that. Some states already have some of those measures, but i'd be fine making them more difficult to buy. You're making me jump through more hoops, and you're not going to stop an incident like this, but fine, if that makes you feel better about it. Also, this: The Japanese and American ways of thinking about crime, privacy, and police powers are so different -- and Japan is such a generally peaceful country -- that it's functionally impossible to fully isolate and compare the two gun control regiments. It's not much easier to balance the costs and benefits of Japan's unusual approach, which helps keep its murder rate at the second-lowest in the world, though at the cost of restrictions that Kopel calls a "police state," a worrying suggestion that it hands the government too much power over its citizens. Edited December 14, 2012 by Jenksismybitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 01:23 PM) Anything can be used as a weapon to kill if the person wants it to. Blaming guns is idiotic IMO. Let's ban automobiles, they cause fatal DUI accidents! Put all the restrictions and bans and laws out there that you want. At the end of the day all you're doing is hurting the law abiding people out there. p. sure it's hard to commit mass-murder like this with something other than a gun, though maybe a bomb could work. Good thing we heavily restrict the ownership of explosives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 01:39 PM) They still have guns interesting Japan guns are legal, low killing rate Chicago guns are illegal, murder capital of the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Guns should be legal, but ownership rules should be strict and actually enforced well. It should probably be made a federal law that background checks are mandatory for gun ownership. That said, people who do this stuff will get their hands on a gun or some weaponry to do this type of damage still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 01:41 PM) interesting Japan guns are legal, low killing rate Chicago guns are illegal, murder capital of the world This statement is patently false. You can legally own a gun in Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 01:42 PM) This statement is patently false. You can legally own a gun in Chicago. that's kinda new though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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