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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 03:28 PM)
Florida man gets angry at Little Caesar's over late pizza, gets into shoving match with the guy in front of him.

 

Shoots the guy in front of him.

 

Has used the stand your ground defense. Police have charged him, SYG hearing could knock that out.

 

If the guy in front of him had a gun, it could have been avoided.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 03:28 PM)
Florida man gets angry at Little Caesar's over late pizza, gets into shoving match with the guy in front of him.

 

Shoots the guy in front of him.

 

Has used the stand your ground defense. Police have charged him, SYG hearing could knock that out.

 

Making a defense because the defense is available in law =/= legalization of murder, no matter how many times you try this argument.

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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 03:49 PM)
Making a defense because the defense is available in law =/= legalization of murder, no matter how many times you try this argument.

 

Not it just creates an unnecessary complication that most people find redundant.

 

You already have the right to use deadly force if your live is being threatened. The last thing we need is more laws being written by legislators who have no idea what they are doing.

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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 03:49 PM)
Making a defense because the defense is available in law =/= legalization of murder, no matter how many times you try this argument.

A doubt that SYG will work here, but it's another example of the presence of a gun making a situation much, much worse, not better.

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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 04:55 PM)
A doubt that SYG will work here, but it's another example of the presence of a gun making a situation much, much worse, not better.

And who knows if the law flashed through his mind when deciding to pull the trigger while we're at it.

 

Above anything...this is the gun culture of this America. People shot over an argument about slow Pizza.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 03:56 PM)
And who knows if the law flashed through his mind when deciding to pull the trigger while we're at it.

 

Above anything...this is the gun culture of this America. People shot over an argument about slow Pizza.

 

GMAFB. Let's overreact a little more, please?

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 03:56 PM)
And who knows if the law flashed through his mind when deciding to pull the trigger while we're at it.

 

probably not. a man who shoots someone at little ceasars because they're yelling about slow pizza is not thinking rationally. hell, a man who gets pizza from little ceasars isn't thinking rationally

 

Above anything...this is the gun culture of this America. People shot over an argument about slow Pizza.

 

absolutely.

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QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 18, 2012 -> 08:54 PM)
Why should they be. They are using an advertising ploy to get people to buy one of their products which is legal. Don't blame a company for trying to make money legally.

I will blame them for perpetuating our terrible "obviously compensating for something" gun culture that breeds vigilanteism.

 

edit: just because something is legal doesn't mean it's moral or that it's above criticism. Beyond the obvious gun culture, "tacticool" problems, the entire campaign was pretty damn sexist.

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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 04:01 PM)
GMAFB. Let's overreact a little more, please?

 

GMAFB, let's reduce the number and availability of guns and where they can be carried while loaded so that we don't have more "overreactions" like this.

 

You yourself said you'd rather go down shooting, damn the statistics and any 'mistakes' or flawed judgement be damned

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But, typically, Northern Europe is always rated as one of the best or happiest places to live...Denmark, Norway, Finland and Sweden always come up on those "best" lists, despite the bitter cold.

 

With the high suicide rate in Asian countries, it's not related as much to the guns (or lack thereof) as cultural factors. There are lots of only children in Japan/Korea/China/Singapore, so there's an inordinate amount of pressure and stress on them to succeed when they are teenagers and 20-somethings.

 

All kids do here their senior year in China is study, study, study for their Gao Kao exams. Their whole life, for most Chinese students, is based on the results of this one exam.

 

Because of the amount of pressure and stress, the fact that parents don't often have very open lines of communication with their children because they're far too busy providing them everything materially but their TIME and ATTENTION, the lack of any type of mental health infrastructure (for example, if you're a Thai teen, if you seek a counselor for depression/suicidal thoughts, it stays on your permanent record when you apply for jobs and makes you virtually unemployable), the stigma about mental problems in general....kids between 12-28 often just lose it.

 

More often than not, it is females (who don't feel as loved as boys in China, although this is changing slowly)...and it's very very difficult for young people in Asia to talk about their private problems to even their peers, because they want to project an aura of success and contentment. They keep everything bottled up inside. I even read something where about 88% of high school and university girls don't even tell their best friend/s they've had sex for the first time for fear of being judged or gossiped about. When you live in a culture where so many things are officially repressed, it's bound to come out somehow, often with negative repercussions. Along with that, you have a low official divorce rate (there are a lot of sociological/cultural reasons I won't go into), but tons of unhappy marriages (and examples for children) where the men are having affairs but the family officially stays together for the sake of the grandparents and children.

 

You can't just look at isolated countries with or without guns and then make comparisons without taking 100 other factors into consideration, just like the idea that violent video games and movies is the main predictor for gun violence is ridiculous and an easy excuse not to have a real discussion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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GMAFB, let's reduce the number and availability of guns and where they can be carried while loaded so that we don't have more "overreactions" like this.

 

You yourself said you'd rather go down shooting, damn the statistics and any 'mistakes' or flawed judgement be damned

Rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6. You would be too, but you're too self-conscious to admit it.

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Maybe the solution is simply to have states (or zones/areas within states allowing guns) with no handguns and other states where people can shoot each other at will (with SYG-like regulations or "non-regulations").

 

We're a democracy, let people have the right to choose.

 

And probably if we did have state-by-state petitions, even now, 35-40 states would still choose to allow guns (even semi-automatic rifles), one would venture to guess.

 

 

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 07:13 PM)
Maybe the solution is simply to have states (or zones/areas within states allowing guns) with no handguns and other states where people can shoot each other at will (with SYG-like regulations or "non-regulations").

 

We're a democracy, let people have the right to choose.

 

And probably if we did have state-by-state petitions, even now, 35-40 states would still choose to allow guns (even semi-automatic rifles), one would venture to guess.

 

Municipal and state gun bans are undermined by how easy it is to bring them in from just outside the restricted area.

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QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 03:20 PM)
Oh what the f*** man.

 

Also, my friend put on facebook "No thanks Obama, I'll keep my AK-47."

 

WHY THE f*** DOES A 19 YEAR OLD GIRL IN COLLEGE NEED A GODDAMN AK-47.

It's the same argument about needing a beer. You don't need one but want one. How many drunk drivers kill people each year? So let's go back to prohibition to save all of the people which could possibly die in a drunk driving accident.

 

However, I do agree that automatic weapons should be illegal, they do not serve a legal purpose.

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QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 07:24 PM)
It's the same argument about needing a beer. You don't need one but want one. How many drunk drivers kill people each year? So let's go back to prohibition to save all of the people which could possibly die in a drunk driving accident.

 

However, I do agree that automatic weapons should be illegal, they do not serve a legal purpose.

 

That is waaaaay different and you know it. But I'm glad we agree.

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Maybe the solution is simply to have states (or zones/areas within states allowing guns) with no handguns and other states where people can shoot each other at will (with SYG-like regulations or "non-regulations").

 

We're a democracy, let people have the right to choose.

 

And probably if we did have state-by-state petitions, even now, 35-40 states would still choose to allow guns (even semi-automatic rifles), one would venture to guess.

That would require liberals to stop caring what other law abiding citizens do, we know that'll never happen.

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QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 19, 2012 -> 08:06 PM)
That is waaaaay different and you know it. But I'm glad we agree.

I don't think it is all that different. Alcohol related deaths outnumber gun related deaths so why is one OK and not the other?

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