Time to revisit the 2nd Amendment?

[RockRaines]

And as i've said, make it more difficult to get guns. I'm fine with that if that would make you happy. But that's not going to do anything and you know it. This guy and the others like him plan this s*** out. So unless you're going to just ban guns altogether, no amount of restrictions would to stop this type of stuff. But continue to believe the problem is society allowing guns, and not the random crazy people that are just random crazy people who do random s***.

If guns will be just as available why is it shown by facts that higher rates of gun owners=higher rates of firearm caused death?

 

 

Just a little snippit:

 

While the national rate of homicide without guns in the US is somewhat comparable to Canada’s, the rate of

homicide with firearms is much higher (5.7 X) and US has 6.7X times the rate of homicide with handguns. This suggests

the availability of firearms is a critical factor in the high US homicide rate.

 

BTW, the difference is almost entirely attributed to handguns.

Edited December 14, 2012 by RockRaines

[Y2HH]

You will never be able to get rid of guns, but right now there are more guns than people in the US. If you could somehow cut the number of people owning guns down, innocent people getting shot and possibly killed will go down as well. I don't know if it would have prevented what happened today. But getting a gun is too easy.

 

The problem is getting a gun is too easy in multiple ways, both legally and illegally. It's a rough problem to solve since the box has already been opened...there are guns everywhere...and it's not just in the US like a lot of people are busy pretending right now.

 

If we collected every gun in the US right now, I bet that country a bit south of Texas would be more than happy to sell a bunch to the people that really want them.

[knightni]

not without removing the 300M+ guns currently in the US without this technology

They gave people cash for their cars. How about guns?

[mr_genius]

They gave people cash for their cars. How about guns?

 

they do that all the time in Chicago

 

[Y2HH]

If guns will be just as available why is it shown by facts that higher rates of gun owners=higher rates of firearm caused death?

 

 

Just a little snippit:

 

 

 

BTW, the difference is almost entirely attributed to handguns.

 

There is no disputing those numbers.

 

But now let's compare the number of gang members in Canada to the US. Now, as an experiment...let's take all of those gang member and move them to Canada and let's see if all of a sudden the gun violence in Canada doesn't skyrocket while ours falls precipitously.

 

The situation is far more complicated then most people here seem willing to admit.

[Jenksismyhero]

If guns will be just as available why is it shown by facts that higher rates of gun owners=higher rates of firearm caused death?

 

 

Just a little snippit:

 

 

 

BTW, the difference is almost entirely attributed to handguns.

 

Comparing the US to any other country is comparing apples and oranges. Go look at gang violence statistics. There's 90% of your answer right there. And guess what, they mostly use illegally obtained weapons. So ban every gun in the country and our homicide rate will still overshadow everyone elses.

 

 

[RockRaines]

There is no disputing those numbers.

 

But now let's compare the number of gang members in Canada to the US. Now, as an experiment...let's take all of those gang member and move them to Canada and let's see if all of a sudden the gun violence in Canada doesn't skyrocket while ours falls precipitously.

 

The situation is far more complicated then most people here seem willing to admit.

How dangerous is a "gang member" without a gun?

[StrangeSox]

The problem is getting a gun is too easy in multiple ways, both legally and illegally. It's a rough problem to solve since the box has already been opened...there are guns everywhere...and it's not just in the US like a lot of people are busy pretending right now.

 

If we collected every gun in the US right now, I bet that country a bit south of Texas would be more than happy to sell a bunch to the people that really want them.

 

Right, you wouldn't eliminate gun violence. But now in that hypothetical we've severely restricted access such that you need to go black-market and pay a good sum of money. It's a lot more difficult than going to Bass Pro, and you're not just going to have weapons laying around in so many homes that can easily be picked up when someone snaps. Sure, someone really dedicated can still plan this out, but a couple of teenagers in Colorado aren't going to have an easy time getting their hands on some guns and neither would this guy.

[Y2HH]

As John Stewart said, in times of crisis when everyone is watching...amplify our problems and simplify our solutions...because without fail, that solves every problem every time.

[RockRaines]

Comparing the US to any other country is comparing apples and oranges. Go look at gang violence statistics. There's 90% of your answer right there. And guess what, they mostly use illegally obtained weapons. So ban every gun in the country and our homicide rate will still overshadow everyone elses.

I call bulls***. Those guns were legally obtained in the US at some point. In the case of Chicago they found roughly 20 percent came from one store. Of all off the 267 guns recovered last year used in crimes and studied they were ALL purchased legally.

[StrangeSox]

Comparing the US to any other country is comparing apples and oranges. Go look at gang violence statistics. There's 90% of your answer right there. And guess what, they mostly use illegally obtained weapons. So ban every gun in the country and our homicide rate will still overshadow everyone elses.

If you restrict the legal flow of guns, you've restricted the supply to the black market as well. There's not tens of millions of handguns to steal or straw-purchase if no one can legally buy a handgun.

[knightni]

How dangerous is a "gang member" without a gun?

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[StrangeSox]

As John Stewart said, in times of crisis when everyone is watching...amplify our problems and simplify our solutions...because without fail, that solves every problem every time.

 

I'm pretty sure John Stewart just recently mocked the idea of the "it's too soon" deflection from ever discussing sane gun laws in this country after the last shooting tragedy. Or maybe that was the Walker one two weeks ago.

[Y2HH]

Right, you wouldn't eliminate gun violence. But now in that hypothetical we've severely restricted access such that you need to go black-market and pay a good sum of money. It's a lot more difficult than going to Bass Pro, and you're not just going to have weapons laying around in so many homes that can easily be picked up when someone snaps. Sure, someone really dedicated can still plan this out, but a couple of teenagers in Colorado aren't going to have an easy time getting their hands on some guns and neither would this guy.

 

You seem very sure of this...but I suspect you wouldn't be quite as sure as you seem believe if you actually ever tried. A person that's never bought drugs before probably thinks they're hard to get, too...and I'm not talking about marijuana, either. Where there is a will...there will be a way.

[Jenksismyhero]

I call bulls***. Those guns were legally obtained in the US at some point. In the case of Chicago they found roughly 20 percent came from one store. Of all off the 267 guns recovered last year used in crimes and studied they were ALL purchased legally.

 

Purchased legally, stolen, then used by criminals who by law can't touch the guns.

[StrangeSox]

Purchased legally, stolen, then used by criminals who by law can't touch the guns.

let's slow down that first part of the chain!

[Y2HH]

How dangerous is a "gang member" without a gun?

 

Wait a minute, suddenly these criminal gang members don't have their illegally obtained guns? Do you live in reality or somewhere in the matrix?

[knightni]

They deactivate old war weapons for collectors and no one has a problem. How would it be any different for old guns?

[RockRaines]

Purchased legally, stolen, then used by criminals who by law can't touch the guns.

Uh huh. Take that away and then what?

[Jenksismyhero]

If you restrict the legal flow of guns, you've restricted the supply to the black market as well. There's not tens of millions of handguns to steal or straw-purchase if no one can legally buy a handgun.

 

How's that war on drugs working out?

 

[RockRaines]

Wait a minute, suddenly these criminal gang members don't have their illegally obtained guns? Do you live in reality or somewhere in the matrix?

Look up. They were purchased legally

[Quin]

Your f***ing first, completely sickening, disgusting, you should be embarrased, reaction, was to make a joke.

 

 

wrong. so you want to stop trying to exploit this with your 2nd amendment political rants?

 

Bush's fault

 

Right. You brought the left/right into this.

 

Look, removing guns completely will never happen. However, I'd be all for it being regulated like the car system. Have to go through a lot of in person training, written test, field test, registry, constantly need license updates. Hell, maybe even a mandatory "license plate" engraved on the gun. Do background checks. Do mental stability tests.

 

And right now a lot of people have guns and they can have them and have them concealed. How many of them have saved the day? I'm tired of that argument, because giving everyone guns would just lead to a catastrophe.

 

For f***s sake, handguns are designed to kill people. That's all they are designed for. All they ever have been designed for. And they're hilariously easy to obtain.

[Jenksismyhero]

Uh huh. Take that away and then what?

 

Trucks from Mexico and a guy on the corner that can sell you an illegal handgun? Are gangs going to start outdancing and outsinging the other? You guys are completely delusional if you think making gun ownership illegal would magically cure this problem or even put a dent into it.

[RockRaines]

How's that war on drugs working out?

Yelp a place to buy cocaine, let me know what you find out.

 

I'll find the nearest place to buy a gun. Lets see who finds it first.

[Y2HH]

Look up. They were purchased legally

 

Show me facts, you're the one that made the false claim that all the gangbangers in the US have legally purchased guns...which is an absolute f***ing lie.