mr_genius Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 10:58 AM) We need to turn schools into prison-like complexes with a single ingress/egress portal. Lock that s*** down like high security. sounds like a fire safety hazard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 10:56 AM) tbf a lot of suburban middle- and upper-class high schools already have "resource officers" that hang out on campus for various issues, though I remember him carrying and he split time between two campuses. But then again, he wasn't intended to be an armed responder to a shooting. Most high schools do have an officer liasion, but they aren't dedicated to that campus and typically split between other local high schools/middle schools. They'll do rounds occasionally, but their biggest role from what I've seen is to handle most of the student arrests/talking to's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 10:57 AM) You know those scary videos of foreigners in third world countries where men are all over the streets carrying machine guns and shooting them in the air sporadically? Apparently that's what the NRA wants the US to become. Remember those are the far extreme views. Not everyone who owns guns thinks that way. That is just a very vocal minority. The NRA does some very good things with creating and sponsoring gun safety courses. If everyone who owned a gun was required to take these courses, people like the mother of Lanza, would probably have had her guns secured better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 11:00 AM) 3) be on the other side of the building from where the shooter starts shooting, being as much as a city block and a floor or two away 4) taking the first bullet fired directly in the skull Really, these are the officer's goals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 11:02 AM) Really, these are the officer's goals? goals? no. reasonably likely outcomes, perhaps more likely than 1 & 2? I'd say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 11:03 AM) goals? no. reasonably likely outcomes, perhaps more likely than 1 & 2? I'd say yes. Well s***, I didn't put likely outcomes now did I? And I mentioned earlier that the officer would be the first target, but at least the first target is someone trained to lookout for these nutjobs rather than a 6 year old kid. It's not ideal, it won't prevent every incident, but nothing will. It's at least a plausible fix that could help prevent a number of scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted December 21, 2012 Author Share Posted December 21, 2012 An armed maniac with machine guns has the element of surprise. The gunman will now know that each school has one guard and likely do enough intel to find out who it is so they can find and kill that guard first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 10:52 AM) If the fix is onsite police officers, than I have no problem helping to fund that. But I don't want non-official volunteers hanging around schools. But then again I typically have no problem passing referendums for most things education wise. We have an armed police officer at our high school and middle schools already. Mostly necessary because of gangs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 11:09 AM) An armed maniac with machine guns has the element of surprise. The gunman will now know that each school has one guard and likely do enough intel to find out who it is so they can find and kill that guard first. Again, targeting a trained officer who is on the lookout for such a person, and that person is now not targeting a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted December 21, 2012 Author Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 09:12 AM) Again, targeting a trained officer who is on the lookout for such a person, and that person is now not targeting a child. Train someone to look out for one crazed person in a sea of students? Sounds nearly impossible especially if the gunman is a student who goes there and "snaps" one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 11:14 AM) Train someone to look out for one crazed person in a sea of students? Sounds nearly impossible especially if the gunman is a student who goes there and "snaps" one day. Difficult in a high school setting? Sure. In an elementary setting I bet that difficulty is much less. EDIT: And I'm not saying this is going to stop every incident, but it'd be a plausible, good step forward. Edited December 21, 2012 by bigruss22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted December 21, 2012 Author Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 09:18 AM) Difficult in a high school setting? Sure. In an elementary setting I bet that difficulty is much less. EDIT: And I'm not saying this is going to stop every incident, but it'd be a plausible, good step forward. Why stop at schools? Mass shootings happen everywhere. We'll need armed guards in churches, movie theaters, malls, sporting events, parks, libraries, and on public transit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 11:20 AM) Why stop at schools? Mass shootings happen everywhere. We'll need armed guards in churches, movie theaters, malls, sporting events, parks, libraries, and on public transit. It is trending that way... we do have armed guards at most sporting events, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 11:20 AM) Why stop at schools? Mass shootings happen everywhere. We'll need armed guards in churches, movie theaters, malls, sporting events, parks, libraries, and on public transit. everyone can simply be issued their own personal armed guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted December 21, 2012 Author Share Posted December 21, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 09:22 AM) It is trending that way... we do have armed guards at most sporting events, at least. I'm not just referring to pro sports. We'll need them at pee wee league through high school and college. You can't be too cautious plus the gun industry gets to sell more guns. A win, win! Edited December 21, 2012 by BigSqwert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 08:15 AM) awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 11:23 AM) I'm not just referring to pro sports. We'll need them at pee wee league through high school and college. You can't be too cautious plus the gun industry gets to sell more guns. A win, win! I know most high school and college games have armed police officers at them from personal experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 11:22 AM) everyone can simply be issued their own personal armed guard. Can Steven Segal be mine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 mr_genius Did you already give your ideas regarding this topic? You seem to continue on the path of passive aggressive condescending messages. What is your solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 10:25 AM) Wayne LaPierre of the NRA: "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." F*ck that clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 LOL, the NRA blamed video games, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Will McAvoy @WillMcAvoyACN So, the NRA's position is a national database of the mentally ill isn't an invasion of privacy, but registering firearms is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 10:57 AM) You know those scary videos of foreigners in third world countries where men are all over the streets carrying machine guns and shooting them in the air sporadically? Apparently that's what the NRA wants the US to become. stealin for facebooooook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 (edited) 1) Gun-free schools zones “tell every insane killer in America that schools are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk.” 2) “There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people. 3) “[V]iolent crime is increasing again for the first time in 19 years! Add another hurricane, terrorist attack or some other natural or man-made disaster, and you’ve got a recipe for a national nightmare of violence and victimization.” 4) “We need to have every single school in America immediately deploy a protection program proven to work —and by that I mean armed security.” 5) “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Would you rather have your 911 call bring a good guy with a gun from a mile away … or a minute away?” 6) “And throughout it all, too many in our national media … their corporate owners … and their stockholders … act as silent enablers, if not complicit co-conspirators.” 7) “Then there’s the blood-soaked slasher films like ‘American Psycho’ and ‘Natural Born Killers’ that are aired like propaganda loops on Splatterdays and every day, and a thousand music videos that portray life as a joke and murder as a way of life.” 8) “In a race to the bottom, media conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate and offend every standard of civilized society by bringing an ever-more-toxic mix of reckless behavior and criminal cruelty into our homes — every minute of every day of every month of every year.” 9) “Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And here’s one: it’s called Kindergarten Killers. It’s been online for 10 years. How come my research department could find it and all of yours either couldn’t or didn’t want anyone to know you had found it?” 10) “Isn’t fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?” the NRA is insane edit: ha, most of their references are to 90's-era movies and games. Mortal Kombat! Natural Born Killers! Edited December 21, 2012 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 10:51 AM) Do you really feel that it's worse for innocent people to be killed by guns than it is more a greater number of people to be killed by drunk drivers? In my view an innocent being killed is an innocent person being killed. I really don't care about how it happened. I care more about reasonable way to try to decrease them. Ptatc youve been making good points through out this thread. The problem with guns versus drunk driving, is that if you drunk drive you broke the law and therefore you can be subject to punishment. Conversely, if you are on the street and you fire your weapon in self-defense, and it ends up killing someone, you arguably have broken no law. I think we both agree that we want to stop innocent people being killed, its just how do we legislate against accidental shootings, if under current laws there is arguably nothing against the law? That is why handgun bans etc are useful tools, they allow people to be charged with a crime if someone innocent is harmed. I am always a proponent of punishing the person who did something wrong, as opposed to punishing society for the wrongdoings of individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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