SOXOBAMA Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Looking at his career .735 OPS away from home, Hahn better make sure COL includes Coors Field in the trade I could see Gonzalez having a huge year playing at the Cell. His road stats do scare me a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 3, 2013 -> 05:02 PM) I could see Gonzalez having a huge year playing at the Cell. His road stats do scare me a bit Are there any actual legs to this rumor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Are there any actual legs to this rumor? I only saw rumors that the Rockies are listening to offers for Gonzalez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 3, 2013 -> 04:58 PM) Looking at his career .735 OPS away from home, Hahn better make sure COL includes Coors Field in the trade Exactly. We'd be trading Dayan Viciedo essentially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2013 -> 06:59 PM) Exactly. We'd be trading Dayan Viciedo essentially. I would give up Viciedo plus pitching to bring in CarGo. Just watch some highlights...Gold Glove defense, aggressive on the base paths, contact hitter w/ some pop. Dayan is younger and cheaper, but my goodness- this is that five tool guy that can be the next face of our franchise. Did I mention he is a lefty at bat?!? As you can tell, i'm a HUGE CarGo fan. Get creative Mr. Hahn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 3, 2013 -> 01:12 PM) And he was awful when he played. I've lost a ton of respect for you with this post. QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jan 3, 2013 -> 09:52 PM) I would give up Viciedo plus pitching to bring in CarGo. Just watch some highlights...Gold Glove defense, aggressive on the base paths, contact hitter w/ some pop. Dayan is younger and cheaper, but my goodness- this is that five tool guy that can be the next face of our franchise. Did I mention he is a lefty at bat?!? As you can tell, i'm a HUGE CarGo fan. Get creative Mr. Hahn! You might be the second biggest fan of his on this board next to J4L. (I loved CarGo when he was on my OOTP team. Such a beast for me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Ben Davis. Never Forget(part 2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 All this talk about getting Cargo is a pipe dream. It would take a monster package to get him. Sox are better off trying to get one of their other outfielders, namely Charlie Blackmon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 3, 2013 -> 03:50 PM) No, Ben Davis hasn't played since 2004 How have you been, Katie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jan 3, 2013 -> 09:52 PM) I would give up Viciedo plus pitching to bring in CarGo. Just watch some highlights...Gold Glove defense, aggressive on the base paths, contact hitter w/ some pop. Dayan is younger and cheaper, but my goodness- this is that five tool guy that can be the next face of our franchise. Did I mention he is a lefty at bat?!? As you can tell, i'm a HUGE CarGo fan. Get creative Mr. Hahn! Its not about trading Viciedo, if you look at the stats Gonzalez has put up on the road over his entire career, they are pretty much identical to what Dayan Viciedo put up last year for a fraction of the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 08:49 AM) Its not about trading Viciedo, if you look at the stats Gonzalez has put up on the road over his entire career, they are pretty much identical to what Dayan Viciedo put up last year for a fraction of the price. If we want to be fully honest though...lots of guys put up better numbers at home than on the road. Saying that .735 OPS is what he'll put up playing in the Cell is probably underestimating what he'd actually do...but he's also not likely to match his 1.003 OPS at home if he's not at Coors. The answer would likely be somewhere in the middle. The big question is whether he has something better than what he's shown already to give. A CF giving a mid-.800's OPS is a pretty useful piece, worth his contract, but not worth giving up Sale for. But he's also only 26. One more step next season and you could be back to talking about him as a legit MVP, even without Coors...but given that he's only making $18 million the next 2 seasons, the price for him right now would involve Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 08:18 AM) If we want to be fully honest though...lots of guys put up better numbers at home than on the road. Saying that .735 OPS is what he'll put up playing in the Cell is probably underestimating what he'd actually do...but he's also not likely to match his 1.003 OPS at home if he's not at Coors. The answer would likely be somewhere in the middle. The big question is whether he has something better than what he's shown already to give. A CF giving a mid-.800's OPS is a pretty useful piece, worth his contract, but not worth giving up Sale for. But he's also only 26. One more step next season and you could be back to talking about him as a legit MVP, even without Coors...but given that he's only making $18 million the next 2 seasons, the price for him right now would involve Sale. People say that about bringing hitters in here, but who have we seen that USCF jump from in the last few years? Dunn has put up the two worst years of his career. Rios has put up one really good year after being here for 3+ years, and one year that was about his average in Toronto (.791 vs .786 OPS). Carlos Quinten actually put up a much better OPS in SD than he did in any year in Chicago since 2008. Swisher bombed here, though most of that seems to be on Guillen. The last hitter I can really remember breaking out here was Jermaine Dye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 09:34 AM) People say that about bringing hitters in here, but who have we seen that USCF jump from in the last few years? Dunn has put up the two worst years of his career. Rios has put up one really good year after being here for 3+ years, and one year that was about his average in Toronto (.791 vs .786 OPS). Carlos Quinten actually put up a much better OPS in SD than he did in any year in Chicago since 2008. Swisher bombed here, though most of that seems to be on Guillen. The last hitter I can really remember breaking out here was Jermaine Dye. I'm not saying he'd be better than average or get better solely by playing at the Cell. I'm saying that most players have some level of home/road split, because of things like being comfortable in the ballpark, knowing the batters eye, knowing the speed of the grass, being able to sleep in your own bed rather than a hotel. So I don't think he'd just be a .735 OPS guy playing in the Cell instead of Coors... But I also agree that he wouldn't put up a >1.000+ OPS at the Cell like he has at Coors.... Unless the fact that he's entering his prime years really helped. Basically, I think that if he's the same player he was last year, we'd be looking at a CF with a mid-.800's OPS, Give or take. That's a useful piece, but it's not worth giving up Sale for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 06:09 AM) Ben Davis. Never Forget(part 2) Is there something I'm not aware of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 12:19 PM) Is there something I'm not aware of? Just how awesome Ben Davis was and how revered he is around these parts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 06:19 PM) Is there something I'm not aware of? http://web.archive.org/web/20050729095038/...w.bendavis.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 02:41 PM) http://web.archive.org/web/20050729095038/...w.bendavis.org/ There is no way that webpage was created at any point after 1978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 3, 2013 -> 04:58 PM) Looking at his career .735 OPS away from home, Hahn better make sure COL includes Coors Field in the trade Relevant: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/j...-effect-mirage/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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