JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/24/us/new-york-....html?hpt=hp_t1 This is a really sick story. Now our emergency responders need to fear for their lives when they arrive at the scene? Do firefighters, ambulance workers, etc. need to start packing heat? This is insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Absolutely disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 H. Christ. The story now is saying that the shooter probably set the fire to draw them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 This kind of stuff used to happen all the time in the Chicago housing projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 24, 2012 -> 01:54 PM) H. Christ. The story now is saying that the shooter probably set the fire to draw them in. Thats immediately what I figured when I heard. Only thing that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 24, 2012 -> 06:12 PM) Thats immediately what I figured when I heard. Only thing that makes sense. In case you haven't seen the full version, he's a former felon, spent like 17 years in jail after killing his grandmother in ~1980. Nothing on a specific motive or reason for this attack yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 25, 2012 Share Posted December 25, 2012 Another win for the uniquely American corrections system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomSeaverFan Posted December 25, 2012 Share Posted December 25, 2012 What a horrible story during the holiday season or any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted December 25, 2012 Share Posted December 25, 2012 Arming firefighters will solve everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 25, 2012 Share Posted December 25, 2012 He left a note he was going to do what he did best, kill people. Smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 According to the police, he was armed with a revolver, a shotgun, and a Bushmaster AR-15 style semi automatic assault rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 I bet Bushmaster is hoping and praying the next murderer will use one of their competitors' .223's. Or maybe not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 another fine law-abiding citizen. armed guard in every fire truck, plus it's Mortal Kombat's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 Now is not the time to politicize gun control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 Regardless of my opinion on it, this doesn't seem to be the place for condescending remarks and comes off as tasteless and classless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 I/ll stop with the condescending remarks directed towards Wayne LaPierre for his tasteless and classless speech last Friday as soon as he starts supporting some meaningful gun control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 Then take it to any of the other threads discussing the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 a thread about yet-more gun violence seems to be an appropriate place to comment on gun control and the absurdity of anti-gun control arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 26, 2012 -> 09:45 AM) a thread about yet-more gun violence seems to be an appropriate place to comment on gun control and the absurdity of anti-gun control arguments. And so StrangeSox decreed ... all hail the all-knowing StrangeSox! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 Yes, "decrees" usually contain weak statements like "seems" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 Actually this guy already ceded his 2nd amendment rights by being a convicted felon. So aside from banning guns (something you earlier said you didn't want to do) what could've stopped this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 26, 2012 -> 02:16 PM) Yes, "decrees" usually contain weak statements like "seems" I was referring to the "the absurdity of anti-gun control arguments" comment, as if every anti-gun control argument is wrong. It's great you think that way. Other reasonable and intelligent people disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 26, 2012 -> 02:26 PM) Actually this guy already ceded his 2nd amendment rights by being a convicted felon. So aside from banning guns (something you earlier said you didn't want to do) what could've stopped this? I think he killed his grandmother with a hammer. We really need a hammer ban. if it just saved one life, it would be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 26, 2012 -> 02:26 PM) Actually this guy already ceded his 2nd amendment rights by being a convicted felon. So aside from banning guns (something you earlier said you didn't want to do) what could've stopped this? Might be interesting to see how he got the guns. Gun show? Might be fruitful to talk about private sales in terms of gun legislation. I can't sell my privately owned Vicodin, maybe it won't hurt if I have to go through an intermediary to sell my gun. I traded some stereo equipment for a Glock on Craigslist and I was shocked that that is legal. Beyond that, my biggest takeaway from this crime is that it brings into focus our punitive corrections system and how it fails to rehabilitate people like this killer who clearly had some problems. Our blood lust to punish interferes with our ability to reintegrate these folks and try to make them productive members of society. Edited December 28, 2012 by Jake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 28, 2012 -> 12:02 AM) Might be interesting to see how he got the guns. Gun show? Might be fruitful to talk about private sales in terms of gun legislation. I can't sell my privately owned Vicodin, maybe it won't hurt if I have to go through an intermediary to sell my gun. I traded some stereo equipment for a Glock on Craigslist and I was shocked that that is legal. Beyond that, my biggest takeaway from this crime is that it brings into focus our punitive corrections system and how it fails to rehabilitate people like this killer who clearly had some problems. Our blood lust to punish interferes with our ability to reintegrate these folks and try to make them productive members of society. Some people can't be rehabilitated. And some don't want to. The true problems come with what do you do with those two classes of people. From what I read, this guy didn't want his parole even though he was supposedly a model prisoner. They gave it to him anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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