Steve9347 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 This is going to be brutal. 1. RF Alejandro DeAza 2. 3B Jeff Keppinger (if healthy) 3. DH Adam Done 4. 1B Paul Konerko (is this the year of the massive decline?) 5. CF Alex "every other year" Rios (he's do for an "other" year!) 6. LF Dayan Viciedo 7. SS Alexei Ramirez 8. C Tyler Flowers (at this point he's going to have to start 162 games) 9. 2B Gordon Beckham That might, honestly, be the worst lineup in the AL. We have to expect regression from our best hitter in his age 36 season after watching his OPS+ plummet in the 2nd half of last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) Note: The offseason is not over. Thus everything about your thread is invalidated. Note complete. Edited December 27, 2012 by Jose Paniagua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 You'll be singing a different tune when Jeff Keppinger wins the Triple Crown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 If Rick Hahn decides he is finished this offseason, he will fire himself. This thread is silly, although I'm sure it's in jest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 It's obviously a lineup with 4 or 5 holes, but, as has been said, I think we'll still see 1-2 of those holes be filled (or attempted to). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 QUOTE (spiderman @ Dec 27, 2012 -> 12:34 PM) It's obviously a lineup with 4 or 5 holes, but, as has been said, I think we'll still see 1-2 of those holes be filled (or attempted to). 4 or 5?? My goodness, ye have little faith. I don't think it's the worst lineup in the world, it's not on par with Detroits but only 1 or 2 teams in the MLB are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 27, 2012 Author Share Posted December 27, 2012 QUOTE (spiderman @ Dec 27, 2012 -> 11:34 AM) I think we'll still see 1-2 of those holes be filled (or attempted to). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 27, 2012 -> 11:04 AM) This is going to be brutal. 1. RF Alejandro DeAza 2. 3B Jeff Keppinger (if healthy) 3. DH Adam Done 4. 1B Paul Konerko (is this the year of the massive decline?) 5. CF Alex "every other year" Rios (he's do for an "other" year!) 6. LF Dayan Viciedo 7. SS Alexei Ramirez 8. C Tyler Flowers (at this point he's going to have to start 162 games) 9. 2B Gordon Beckham That might, honestly, be the worst lineup in the AL. We have to expect regression from our best hitter in his age 36 season after watching his OPS+ plummet in the 2nd half of last season. Why is Rios playing CF and not RF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 OF course, the other way to look at that lineup is...it's actually a lineup with a fair amount of talent at almost every position. The #8 hitter has a legit shot at 30+ home runs in a full season. The #9 hitter was a top 10 draft pick. The #7 hitter won a silver slugger in 2010. If your hitting coach and training staff can get good performances out of that lineup...it could be quite effective. Heck, that #2 hitter is a major position upgrade: for the 2012 season as a whole, the White Sox got a .600 OPS out of their 3b. A .700 OPS is a major upgrade at that spot. Yes, the catcher's spot has downgraded, but there's your direct tradeoff...and that's starting with the #4 offense in the AL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 27, 2012 -> 12:25 PM) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 This is going to be brutal. 1. RF Alejandro DeAza 2. 3B Jeff Keppinger (if healthy) 3. DH Adam Done 4. 1B Paul Konerko (is this the year of the massive decline?) 5. CF Alex "every other year" Rios (he's do for an "other" year!) 6. LF Dayan Viciedo 7. SS Alexei Ramirez 8. C Tyler Flowers (at this point he's going to have to start 162 games) 9. 2B Gordon Beckham That might, honestly, be the worst lineup in the AL. We have to expect regression from our best hitter in his age 36 season after watching his OPS+ plummet in the 2nd half of last season. On the "bright side", the team has a stockpile of #9 hitters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 27, 2012 -> 02:49 PM) On the "bright side", the team has a stockpile of #9 hitters! The average American League team got a .640 OPS out of its #9 hitters last year. Even the guys from that lineup who had the worst years with the bats last year would be excellent #9 hitters compared to what the average team gets from that spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 27, 2012 Author Share Posted December 27, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 27, 2012 -> 01:59 PM) The average American League team got a .640 OPS out of its #9 hitters last year. Even the guys from that lineup who had the worst years with the bats last year would be excellent #9 hitters compared to what the average team gets from that spot. The three hitter hit .204 and struck out a s***ton of times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 27, 2012 -> 03:30 PM) The three hitter hit .204 and struck out a s***ton of times. The average OPS of #3 hitters in the AL was .800. The White sox got an... .800 OPS out of their #3 spot, exactly. They were also #5 in the league in runs scored and RBI by their #3 hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I think we'll see one or two surprises come spring training. I look forward to seeing guys like Thompson, Mitchell, Sanchez and Danks compete. I'm also looking forward to see if Viciedo takes a big step forward in his 2nd full season. Still have high hopes for that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 The average American League team got a .640 OPS out of its #9 hitters last year. Even the guys from that lineup who had the worst years with the bats last year would be excellent #9 hitters compared to what the average team gets from that spot. DeAza, Ramirez, Flowers and/or Beckham could be #9 hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 27, 2012 -> 03:49 PM) DeAza, Ramirez, Flowers and/or Beckham could be #9 hitters. And based on their career numbers in comparison to the rest of the league, they could be #1 hitters, #6, #7, #8, or #9 hitters. Anyone who put up a >.700 OPS would have been an above average #7 hitter last year. Gordon Beckham's rotten 2010 season would ahve put him as an average #7 hitter last year. ADA would have been one of the best #7 hitters in the AL last year, the 2nd best #8 hitter, and far and away better than any other #9 hitter in the league. So yeah, they could be in those roles, but man you've got a great offense when you're doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 And based on their career numbers in comparison to the rest of the league, they could be #1 hitters, #6, #7, #8, or #9 hitters. Anyone who put up a >.700 OPS would have been an above average #7 hitter last year. Gordon Beckham's rotten 2010 season would ahve put him as an average #7 hitter last year. ADA would have been one of the best #7 hitters in the AL last year, the 2nd best #8 hitter, and far and away better than any other #9 hitter in the league. So yeah, they could be in those roles, but man you've got a great offense when you're doing that. True Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Here's a fun game: Take the projected lineup above and compare their 2011 OPS totals (Keppinger's was with TB) with the 2011 AL averages for their respective positions (in the field, not in the batting order). Without looking it up, how many differentials can you match to the correct players? +.097 +.080 +.067 +.042 +.003 +.001 -.005 -.014 -.020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Dec 27, 2012 -> 03:49 PM) DeAza, Ramirez, Flowers and/or Beckham could be #9 hitters. I still have a feeling Kepp will be the 2B and Gordo dealt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Still December and hope changes are made before spring training because lineup is not very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Dec 27, 2012 -> 04:47 PM) Still December and hope changes are made before spring training because lineup is not very good. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rippedsounds Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 27, 2012 -> 11:04 AM) This is going to be brutal. 1. RF Alejandro DeAza 2. 3B Jeff Keppinger (if healthy) 3. DH Adam Done 4. 1B Paul Konerko (is this the year of the massive decline?) 5. CF Alex "every other year" Rios (he's do for an "other" year!) 6. LF Dayan Viciedo 7. SS Alexei Ramirez 8. C Tyler Flowers (at this point he's going to have to start 162 games) 9. 2B Gordon Beckham That might, honestly, be the worst lineup in the AL. We have to expect regression from our best hitter in his age 36 season after watching his OPS+ plummet in the 2nd half of last season. It's not a terrifyingly powerful lineup and it is a little rusty but I'm basing our success this year on our pitching rotation more than anything. If this lineup can produce four runs a game, which I think it can (and it might even be improved a little bit by the time we get to opening day) we have a good shot at the wild card and a decent shot to upset the Tigers if our pitching staff achieves its potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 27, 2012 -> 03:24 PM) Here's a fun game: Take the projected lineup above and compare their 2011 OPS totals (Keppinger's was with TB) with the 2011 AL averages for their respective positions (in the field, not in the batting order). Without looking it up, how many differentials can you match to the correct players? +.097 +.080 +.067 +.042 +.003 +.001 -.005 -.014 -.020 Would think those last three slots are occupied in some order by Beckham, Ramirez, Viciedo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 QUOTE (rippedsounds @ Dec 27, 2012 -> 04:57 PM) It's not a terrifyingly powerful lineup and it is a little rusty but I'm basing our success this year on our pitching rotation more than anything. If this lineup can produce four runs a game, which I think it can (and it might even be improved a little bit by the time we get to opening day) we have a good shot at the wild card and a decent shot to upset the Tigers if our pitching staff achieves its potential. Not a terrifyingly powerful lineup? Compared to last year, they've subtracted Pierzynski, who hit a lot of HR, but replaced him with a guy who, if he can ever make contact, has every ability to match that HR production in flowers. Viciedo, Alexei, maybe Konerko if his bone chip has been dealt with, maybe Beckham if his head ever gets screwed on right, also have the ability to add in some HR. They got 15 HR out of third base last year, mostly by Youk, and instead replaced with the 9 HR hit by Keppinger, maybe down to 6-7 if he has a more normal year for him. Those small decreases might be a problem...if we hadn't hit the 3rd most HR in the AL last year already. So we lose a few going from Youk to Kep...we also have a power upside, with Viciedo, Flowers, and the middle-infield capable of increasing HR. If that's not a "terrifyingly powerful lineup", then Texas didn't have a terrifyingly powerful lineup last year either, since the Sox outhomered them by 11 last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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