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maggsmaggs Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I think the biggest question, not even asked there, is how will Chris Sale respond to 192 innings? This question concerns me most because he is the most important White Sox player for now and the next 10+ years hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Those are good points. I agree about sale too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 10 Yes 9 Baltimore 8 Yes 7 Yes 6 Yes 5 Keppinger 4 Yes 3 Yes 2 Yes 1 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 10. Probably not, he's been in decline since 08. I admit I've never particularly like him, his style, his propensity to be unable to locate in crucial situations. 9. I don't know. 8. This team has been in love with all or nothing hitting for far too long. We need some good situational hitting and hitters badly. 7. I hope not. 6. Not sure. I think he can be, and I really like his ability, makeup and arm. He needs to be more consistent. 5. Keppinger 4. I hope I'm wrong but I don't know if the guy can hit. He's also a + defender but not great. 3. I'm going to believe that he won't regress and will remain solid for the 13 season. 2. I think last year was as good as it will ever be for Peavy. I hope he can approach the success had last year in the coming season. 1. Right now the Sox look like a .500 or so team to me. Would love to be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 QUOTE (SI1020 @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 03:09 PM) 10. Probably not, he's been in decline since 08. I admit I've never particularly like him, his style, his propensity to be unable to locate in crucial situations. 9. I don't know. 8. This team has been in love with all or nothing hitting for far too long. We need some good situational hitting and hitters badly. 7. I hope not. 6. Not sure. I think he can be, and I really like his ability, makeup and arm. He needs to be more consistent. 5. Keppinger 4. I hope I'm wrong but I don't know if the guy can hit. He's also a + defender but not great. 3. I'm going to believe that he won't regress and will remain solid for the 13 season. 2. I think last year was as good as it will ever be for Peavy. I hope he can approach the success had last year in the coming season. 1. Right now the Sox look like a .500 or so team to me. Would love to be wrong. Every year we have 10 similar questions we saw some very strong performances from Dunn,Rios, Quintanna, Sale, Viciedo and from an array of rookies out of the pen. I would love to see just some improvement from our regulars but am still looking forward to seeing some new blood via trade or fa to this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I think the biggest question, not even asked there, is how will Chris Sale respond to 192 innings? This question concerns me most because he is the most important White Sox player for now and the next 10+ years hopefully. Hypothetical question for y'all...If you were the Sox' GM, and the Marlins' GM called you and offered Giancarlo Stanton for Chris Sale, what woild you say/do? HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Jan 2, 2013 -> 09:39 AM) Hypothetical question for y'all...If you were the Sox' GM, and the Marlins' GM called you and offered Giancarlo Stanton for Chris Sale, what woild you say/do? HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! With the injury concerns for Sale, and the fact he is a year away from starting his arb years, I'd do it as a straight up deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 2, 2013 -> 09:41 AM) With the injury concerns for Sale, and the fact he is a year away from starting his arb years, I'd do it as a straight up deal. I don't care if he has injury concerns, you don't trade a pitcher like Sale if you plan on competing in the near future, even for a hitter like Stanton. There is simply no way for us to replace a potential ace anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 2, 2013 -> 09:54 AM) I don't care if he has injury concerns, you don't trade a pitcher like Sale if you plan on competing in the near future, even for a hitter like Stanton. There is simply no way for us to replace a potential ace anytime soon. Which is exactly why his injury risk is so significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I don't care if he has injury concerns, you don't trade a pitcher like Sale if you plan on competing in the near future, even for a hitter like Stanton. There is simply no way for us to replace a potential ace anytime soon. I understand the importance of having an ace on your staff, but, IMO, players that can help you win every day are more important than those that can help you win every 5th (or 6th) game. (ie. Cabrera > Verlander) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 2, 2013 -> 09:54 AM) I don't care if he has injury concerns, you don't trade a pitcher like Sale if you plan on competing in the near future, even for a hitter like Stanton. There is simply no way for us to replace a potential ace anytime soon. I tend to agree, primarily due to these exact scarcity reasons. In theory, a 4 fWAR from a pitcher is the same as it is from a hitter, but consider that 43 offensive players put up a fWAR of 4 or better this year while only 18 pitchers did. The only way I am dealing Sale is in a deal for a Trout, Cano, McCutcheon. Stanton does have MVP potential, so it'd be tempting, but I do think I'd have to turn it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I tend to agree, primarily due to these exact scarcity reasons. In theory, a 4 fWAR from a pitcher is the same as it is from a hitter, but consider that 43 offensive players put up a fWAR of 4 or better this year while only 18 pitchers did. The only way I am dealing Sale is in a deal for a Trout, Cano, McCutcheon. Stanton does have MVP potential, so it'd be tempting, but I do think I'd have to turn it down. That's interesting. I never thought of it in those terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I really like Sale, but I would accept an offer for Stanton as quickly as I could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 QUOTE (3E8 @ Jan 2, 2013 -> 10:43 AM) I really like Sale, but I would accept an offer for Stanton as quickly as I could. I would as well. I'm still uncertain as to how Sale's arm will hold up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I actually have relatively few concerns about Sale's durability, and I think he ultimately wins a Cy Young award. If I were the Sox, I'd try and get his first two years of free agency bought out at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 2, 2013 -> 10:09 AM) I tend to agree, primarily due to these exact scarcity reasons. In theory, a 4 fWAR from a pitcher is the same as it is from a hitter, but consider that 43 offensive players put up a fWAR of 4 or better this year while only 18 pitchers did. The only way I am dealing Sale is in a deal for a Trout, Cano, McCutcheon. Stanton does have MVP potential, so it'd be tempting, but I do think I'd have to turn it down. I agree with this 100%. Additionally, you have to consider the impact such a trade would have on your chances in the playoffs. An ace can single-handedly carry a team in a short playoff series. Regular season value does not directly translate to playoff value and if the ultimate goal is to win the World Series, nothing should be more valuable than an legit ace come October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 2, 2013 -> 10:57 AM) I actually have relatively few concerns about Sale's durability, and I think he ultimately wins a Cy Young award. If I were the Sox, I'd try and get his first two years of free agency bought out at this point. I'd make sure he can handle 200-ish innings a year first. If he does that in 2013 without a huge drop-off, then I think they've got someone they should extend as soon as possible. Of course he's more expensive then, but still nowhere near free agency, and I think the lost money to wait a year is worth it in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 2, 2013 -> 03:10 PM) I'd make sure he can handle 200-ish innings a year first. If he does that in 2013 without a huge drop-off, then I think they've got someone they should extend as soon as possible. Of course he's more expensive then, but still nowhere near free agency, and I think the lost money to wait a year is worth it in this case. To be fair though...even if he had a huge dropoff, that might not be telling. Justin Verlander had what I'd call a huge dropoff in his 3rd full season, 11-17, 4.84 ERA. If he has a big performance dropoff, I wouldn't call that unexpected. What I want to see him do this year is get to 200 innings and do so with no complaints of elbow soreness or anything like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I'm keeping Sale unless Stanton shows willingness to ink a long term deal and Sale does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 12:57 PM) I think the biggest question, not even asked there, is how will Chris Sale respond to 192 innings? This question concerns me most because he is the most important White Sox player for now and the next 10+ years hopefully. QFT The rotation- even with Peavy re-signed is still a big question mark. Sale coming off his biggest workload, Danks coming off an injury, Peavy being Peavy, is Quintana for real? So, not sure why some are so eager to run Floyd out of town. s*** can get ugly if one or two of those question marks rear their heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) I'm still not sure why Sale is so much more of an injury risk than any other pitcher. Edited January 3, 2013 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 My biggest question is WHEN THE HELL ARE WE GOING TO DO SOMETHING EXCITING? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 2, 2013 -> 10:29 PM) I'm still not sure why Sale is so much more of an injury risk than any other pitcher. His motion and arm slot have always left him as a question mark, much like Strausburg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2013 -> 08:35 AM) His motion and arm slot have always left him as a question mark, much like Strausburg. Body type probably goes on that list as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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