2013 TV Thread

[GoSox05]

Justified was awesome. When are people going to learn that you don't mess with Raylan Givens.

[Kyyle23]

I watched this episode last night and didn't see anything to suggest that's what happened. The bodyguard's hands were shown the entire scene, so that would have to be an off-camera surprise. He's either a goner or they're going to stretch it out until next season (he wasn't in the trailer at all for the finale).

 

Also, I agree that the Frank doing a good deed was totally out of character and pretty stupid. In every other similar circumstance he would have grabbed the stolen goods and sneaked away from the house.

 

The bodyguard told him to be a man, and snatched his phone and tossed it. I really dont see how he would have helped Jimmy out in that instance.

 

As for Frank being out of character, i dont think it is as stupid as everyone else. He has had a lot of moments with Carl this season, and in this episode he brought up the father son moment with his own father and how great it was. We know Frank could care less about being arrested, he has a million times

[Jenksismyhero]

The bodyguard told him to be a man, and snatched his phone and tossed it. I really dont see how he would have helped Jimmy out in that instance.

 

As for Frank being out of character, i dont think it is as stupid as everyone else. He has had a lot of moments with Carl this season, and in this episode he brought up the father son moment with his own father and how great it was. We know Frank could care less about being arrested, he has a million times

 

If he goes on a path to redemption (which may or may not happen if he has a medical scare next week), ok I'll buy it. It's clear he's tired of being homeless and away from his home. HOWEVA, this is literally the first selfless act he's performed on the show. He had no ulterior motive. That just doesn't fit.

[Kyyle23]

If he goes on a path to redemption (which may or may not happen if he has a medical scare next week), ok I'll buy it. It's clear he's tired of being homeless and away from his home. HOWEVA, this is literally the first selfless act he's performed on the show. He had no ulterior motive. That just doesn't fit.

 

I agree it is out of leftfield, I said it when it happened I cannot believe Frank did the right thing.

 

I really hope we dont see the path to redemption though.

[Jenksismyhero]

I agree it is out of leftfield, I said it when it happened I cannot believe Frank did the right thing.

 

I really hope we dont see the path to redemption though.

 

Yeah the show is definitely at its best when it's the group versus Frank.

 

[Kyyle23]

Yeah the show is definitely at its best when it's the group versus Frank.

 

also when they are independent of each other. The episodes with Frank on his gay crusade and living with the non alcoholic AA member were great

[farmteam]

Great finale for Justified last night. Boyd's circumstances set up some interesting possibilities for next season.

Definitely.

 

I still haven't watched the first two seasons -- are these Paxton and Mooney characters from back then, or are they new?

[iamshack]

I didnt think the first episode after the break was that bad... didnt see that end coming.

 

That being said, it's is trending too close to the ratings red line. It's only about a point higher than V, Jericho before they were cancelled and is at the same level as Terra Nova. much like those others, I'd guess this isnt a cheap show to produce. It needs a Solid 8+ to stay alive.

It's freaking terrible...it's terribly written, it's terribly acted, and do you really give a s*** about any of the characters? The plotlines are stupid and pointless...and why the hell do cars need electricity to drive? The only reason I am still watching is because I am stubborn and want to see it through to the end of the first season...

[Brian]

Justified was awesome. When are people going to learn that you don't mess with Raylan Givens.

 

"Im suspended."

 

Rain of gunfire.

 

Awesome.

[Steve9347]

These are absolutely incredible.

 

A few things that make no sense about The Walking Dead

[Brian]

Kind of shocking but early reviews for Hannibal are very positive.

[Jenksismyhero]

These are absolutely incredible.

 

A few things that make no sense about The Walking Dead

 

Lol, 32 is my favorite.

[RockRaines]

Is it too much to wish that they would just expand the season to accomodate the book? It's HBO, they can do whatever they want to do.

Yes. People need to completely forget about the book when watching the show. Forget it ever happened. It going to be similar but not nearly the same. Appreciate it for what it is. For me I wish there was a way to translate his writings to TV or movies better since his books are just unreal, but I've had to cope with the fact its basically a cheap knock off.

Edited April 3, 2013 by RockRaines

[bigruss]

Yes. People need to completely forget about the book when watching the show. Forget it ever happened. It going to be similar but not nearly the same. Appreciate it for what it is.

NO

 

Honestly I understand from a business perspective why they are doing it this way, I just wish it was different/feasible to do it all in one, long season.

 

Sigh. I'm still going to watch every episode (probably multiple times), and enjoy them immensely.

[RockRaines]

NO

 

Honestly I understand from a business perspective why they are doing it this way, I just wish it was different/feasible to do it all in one, long season.

 

Sigh. I'm still going to watch every episode (probably multiple times), and enjoy them immensely.

Yeah it sucks. Nothing will ever be able to live up to the books for me, some of the best reading I've ever enjoyed. I'm actually reading them again right now. I'd honestly watch any length of movie, series, whatever if it could capture what the books looked like in my head. Waiting for this next one has been incredibly frustrating.

Edited April 3, 2013 by RockRaines

[bigruss]

Yeah it sucks. Nothing will ever be able to live up to the books for me, some of the best reading I've ever enjoyed. I'm actually reading them again right now. I'd honestly watch any length of movie, series, whatever if it could capture what the books looked like in my head. Waiting for this next one has been incredibly frustrating.

Agreed, I've re-read 1-4 and now I'm rereading 5.

 

I thought I was going to struggle through 4 again, but I REALLY enjoyed it compared to the first time through. 5 has been difficult to pick up again, but that's more because of life being more hectic than anything.

[Dick Allen]

I watched this episode last night and didn't see anything to suggest that's what happened. The bodyguard's hands were shown the entire scene, so that would have to be an off-camera surprise. He's either a goner or they're going to stretch it out until next season (he wasn't in the trailer at all for the finale).

 

Also, I agree that the Frank doing a good deed was totally out of character and pretty stupid. In every other similar circumstance he would have grabbed the stolen goods and sneaked away from the house.

I don't think Jimmy is going to get killed for the simle reason the previews make it seem like he will.

[Soxfest]

Great finale for Justified last night. Boyd's circumstances set up some interesting possibilities for next season.

Great season can't wait till next January.

Edited April 4, 2013 by Soxfest

[Steve9347]

Justified was simply superb this season.

[illinilaw08]

Agreed, I've re-read 1-4 and now I'm rereading 5.

 

I thought I was going to struggle through 4 again, but I REALLY enjoyed it compared to the first time through. 5 has been difficult to pick up again, but that's more because of life being more hectic than anything.

 

My biggest concern with GOT as a TV show (and I love the TV show) is what happens if/when they catch up to the books? Martin has apparently given the creators an idea of where the books are going in case he dies before the books are finished, but I would absolutely hate to have the show pass the timeline of the books because it takes Martin forever to finish a book.

 

Off topic for TV, but I thought the quality of books 4 and 5 was lower than that of the first 3.

[Jenksismyhero]

I agree. Book 3 was the peak. Since then it's been downhill. I think that's mainly due to the fact that nothing has happened the last 2000 pages (4 and 5).

 

Did anyone else watch the grantland video with Andy Greenwald interviewing the two writers of the show? They were telling the story of how they sold Martin on doing the show at HBO as opposed to a movie, and apparently they spent hours and hours talking about the books and the various storylines. Martin at one point asked them who they thought was Jon Snow's mother, something that's never been brought up in the books. Apparently they answered correctly although Martin didn't really tell them they were right, he just sort of seemed happy with their answer.

 

Anyway, I got to looking online and the fan speculation about that is pretty off the wall. I have no idea where/how people came up with the common answer. Nor does it really make any sense to me:

 

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jon_Snow

 

Jon Snow's parentage remains a mystery, as Eddard rarely spoke of the matter. When Catelyn confronted him about the rumor that Jon's mother was Ashara Dayne, Eddard would not answer.[22] Years later, when queried by Robert, he claimed that a lowborn woman named Wylla is Snow's mother.[23] Both possibilities have been mentioned by outside sources. Cersei Lannister believes his mother to be Lady Dayne[24], while Edric Dayne, who was wet-nursed by Wylla, told Arya that he and Jon are milk-brothers.[25]

According to Lord Godric Borrell, the daughter of the fisherman who tried to take Ned Stark from the Vale across the Bite to the North at the beginning of Robert's Rebellion, gave birth to Eddard Stark's bastard.[26]

 

Fans of the series speculate about his parentage, with a large number believing that his true parentage is likely to be Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen. [27]

Edited April 4, 2013 by Jenksismybitch

[CrimsonWeltall]

Anyway, I got to looking online and the fan speculation about that is pretty off the wall. I have no idea where/how people came up with the common answer. Nor does it really make any sense to me:

 

Why not?

 

I think it works pretty well at explaining a lot of odd things.

Would honorable Ned Stark really cheat on his wife? and come back home with a bastard kid? Seems unlikely.

How did Lyanna Stark die? Surely neither her defenders nor Ned's forces would have killed her. Childbirth seems like a reasonable explanation.

What did she make Ned promise to do? Take care of her newborn child

Bonus points for it being a twist that the kidnapping was not a kidnapping

Bonus points for making Jon Snow secretly more important than he seems. A lowly bastard is actually royal blood.

 

With all the secrecy around it, you have to figure it's something major and not simply "Yeah, Ned screwed around"

[ChiSox_Sonix]

I agree. Book 3 was the peak. Since then it's been downhill. I think that's mainly due to the fact that nothing has happened the last 2000 pages (4 and 5).

 

Did anyone else watch the grantland video with Andy Greenwald interviewing the two writers of the show? They were telling the story of how they sold Martin on doing the show at HBO as opposed to a movie, and apparently they spent hours and hours talking about the books and the various storylines. Martin at one point asked them who they thought was Jon Snow's mother, something that's never been brought up in the books. Apparently they answered correctly although Martin didn't really tell them they were right, he just sort of seemed happy with their answer.

 

Anyway, I got to looking online and the fan speculation about that is pretty off the wall. I have no idea where/how people came up with the common answer. Nor does it really make any sense to me:

 

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jon_Snow

 

Jon Snow's parentage remains a mystery, as Eddard rarely spoke of the matter. When Catelyn confronted him about the rumor that Jon's mother was Ashara Dayne, Eddard would not answer.[22] Years later, when queried by Robert, he claimed that a lowborn woman named Wylla is Snow's mother.[23] Both possibilities have been mentioned by outside sources. Cersei Lannister believes his mother to be Lady Dayne[24], while Edric Dayne, who was wet-nursed by Wylla, told Arya that he and Jon are milk-brothers.[25]

According to Lord Godric Borrell, the daughter of the fisherman who tried to take Ned Stark from the Vale across the Bite to the North at the beginning of Robert's Rebellion, gave birth to Eddard Stark's bastard.[26]

 

Fans of the series speculate about his parentage, with a large number believing that his true parentage is likely to be Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen. [27]

 

Oh it is absolutely Rhaegar and Lyanna. No doubt in my mind. Jon Snow is who the series is named after. Ice (Lyanna - Stark - North) and Fire (Rhaegar - Targaryen - Dragon). Jon is one of the three heads of the dragon that was prophesied in the House of the Undying. The "promise" that Ned gave to Lyanna as she lay dying in a pool of blood (due to childbirth) was that he would protect her son. There is no doubt in my mind that is correct. I will be floored if Jon Snow's parentage is revealed to be any different or not revealed at all at some point.

[Jenksismyhero]

I don't see why Ned would have lied to his wife for all those years. And if he was really of that blood, why send him to the wall? To protect him?

[bigruss]

I don't see why Ned would have lied to his wife for all those years. And if he was really of that blood, why send him to the wall? To protect him?

Look what Robert wanted to do to Dany, this was Ned protecting Jon from the King himself.