DukeNukeEm Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Anything the slows down the government's ability to make laws is a good thing. Getting rid of the Filibuster would be disastrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 cool post, bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 03:32 PM) Anything the slows down the government's ability to make laws is a good thing. Getting rid of the Filibuster would be disastrous. Ron Swanson? I figured your alias would be Lagavulin_16 or "Turf and Turf." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 04:22 PM) Ron Swanson? I figured your alias would be Lagavulin_16 or "Turf and Turf." Or "HateTammy." Of course, he'd get it changed to "LoveTammy" once a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 04:42 PM) Or "HateTammy." Of course, he'd get it changed to "LoveTammy" once a year. Is that Tammy Swanson Swanson, Tammy Swanson, or Tamara Swanson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 05:21 PM) Is that Tammy Swanson Swanson, Tammy Swanson, or Tamara Swanson? Who cares, they're all b****es Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Leader Reid and minority leader McConnell have reached a "deal" regarding "reform" which effectively changes a few minor things around the edges to make the senate move slightly faster, but does not really remove any of the minority's ability to completely shut down the Senate. Effective result may be that Reid's office is slightly less annoyed on bills that are going to be passed anyway. Nothing else will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Reid is worse than useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 So this accomplished nothing at all. Good job everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Reid is fairly capable of strong arming but I don't think he had the votes for a major reform here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Yeah part of the reason the Senate is such a self-licking ice cream cone is because it's full of a bunch of self-important blowhards who like it that way. This isn't really on Reid (although he's one of those blowhards too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 25, 2013 -> 10:34 PM) Reid is fairly capable of strong arming but I don't think he had the votes for a major reform here. At the very least...he was incredibly close, by all accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Now combine this with the recent DC court ruling on recess appointments (essentially eliminating them through some hack originalism), and you've enabled a minority party in one house of one branch to shut down much of the executive branch. NLRB can't function without a quorum, CFPB can't work without a director, there's tons of other executive and judicial vacancies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 26, 2013 -> 11:33 AM) Now combine this with the recent DC court ruling on recess appointments (essentially eliminating them through some hack originalism), and you've enabled a minority party in one house of one branch to shut down much of the executive branch. NLRB can't function without a quorum, CFPB can't work without a director, there's tons of other executive and judicial vacancies. Then follow the rules to make appointments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jan 26, 2013 -> 11:45 PM) Then follow the rules to make appointments. Yeah he should do what every president before him for 150 years has done and... ...oh wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jan 26, 2013 -> 10:45 PM) Then follow the rules to make appointments. I don't think you know why he made those recess appointments! The "rules" allow the minority senate party to essentially nullify executive positions through extra-constitutional parliamentary procedures. E.g. the republicans flatly refuse to allow a confirmation vote on anyone for cpfb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 27, 2013 -> 07:50 AM) I don't think you know why he made those recess appointments! The "rules" allow the minority senate party to essentially nullify executive positions through extra-constitutional parliamentary procedures. E.g. the republicans flatly refuse to allow a confirmation vote on anyone for cpfb. Well, those are the rules. You are just b****ing about it because for the moment they happen to be bad for your side. If the situation were reversed you would be screaming your lungs out about how Bush has no respect for the law, etc. The NLRB is a joke anyway, at least the way it was currently staffed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 The NLRB is currently understaffed to the point that it can't hold a quorum and is not able to function. Which is why Obama made the recess appointments, because Republicans refuse to allow a confirmation vote on anybody for exactly that reason. Note that, if a confirmation vote, or a vote to "advise and consent" were actually held, many or all of these appointments would be confirmed. I don't know if Obama's recess appointments truly are legal, but the system's currently broken. The filibuster is s*** and should be eliminated forever. Elected majorities should be able to govern effectively and institute their policies and appointments with simple majority votes, whether it's Democrats, Republicans or anyone else. I'll be just as in favor of abolishing this non-constitutional subversion of democracy when the Republicans eventually retake the Senate. Even if Obama's appointments weren't legal because of the BS pro-forma fake Senate sessions, the recent ruling is still hack-tacular and essentially removes the Recess Powers from the Constitution. Since the ruling is in conflict with other district courts, this is sure to go to the SC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 27, 2013 -> 02:49 PM) The NLRB is currently understaffed to the point that it can't hold a quorum and is not able to function. Which is why Obama made the recess appointments, because Republicans refuse to allow a confirmation vote on anybody for exactly that reason. Note that, if a confirmation vote, or a vote to "advise and consent" were actually held, many or all of these appointments would be confirmed. I don't know if Obama's recess appointments truly are legal, but the system's currently broken. The filibuster is s*** and should be eliminated forever. Elected majorities should be able to govern effectively and institute their policies and appointments with simple majority votes, whether it's Democrats, Republicans or anyone else. I'll be just as in favor of abolishing this non-constitutional subversion of democracy when the Republicans eventually retake the Senate. Even if Obama's appointments weren't legal because of the BS pro-forma fake Senate sessions, the recent ruling is still hack-tacular and essentially removes the Recess Powers from the Constitution. Since the ruling is in conflict with other district courts, this is sure to go to the SC. Waaaaaaaaa! That's all I see there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Apparently the major player behind this victory is Miguel Estrada. Back in 2001, Estrada was nominated to a seat on the U.S. Court of Appeals D.C. Circuit. His nomination was successfully filibustered by Democrats for over two years, until Estrada withdrew his name from consideration in September 2003. Payback is a b****, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Your only analytic mode seems to be "tu quoque" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Seriously, nobody who isn't a total political hack gives a s*** about that anymore. That was 10 years ago and they've already used that as an excuse dozens of times anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Today, for the first time ever, the Senate Majority leader had to file a cloture vote on a nominee for Secretary of Defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Hooray! The Senate is functional again! Nominees can actually get a vote!!!!! Oh, wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Feb 13, 2013 -> 06:32 PM) Hooray! The Senate is functional again! Nominees can actually get a vote!!!!! Oh, wait... Miguel Estrada feels your pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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