witesoxfan Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 QUOTE (bhawk99 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 03:35 PM) The chances of the current lineup having 3 starting players that will hit under .250 possibly under .240 and even under .230 [Dunn, Beckham & Flowers] is very high. How many other contending teams have 3 every day starters with those numbers? I couldn't care less about average, except in the case of Beckham. Flowers and Dunn should walk and hit for enough power to justify their low averages. Beckham doesn't. And it also depends on what you mean by contending. There could be as many as 20 teams in contention until mid-August. My guess would be that quite a few of those have players hitting below .250, considering the league average last year was .255. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 03:39 PM) I hope you are right. Even if we have 84 wins, that won't be good enough to beat Det. So, it will be a down year. Then PK leaves after the season along with a few other key pieces. It took a minor miracle down the stretch and a dude hitting for the Triple Crown to get Detroit 88 wins last year. They may not be so lucky this time. Beyond, that, it also took an incredible collapse by the Sox for them to make it as well. Based on what I believe to be the talent level, I see about 83-85 wins. If I had to bet over or under on that, I'd take the over 100% of the time. I could easily see this team winning 90 games because I still don't think people realize how talented they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) Then who? Don't just say "add some," suggest what they hell they need that is available. There is virtually nothing available right now that is worth the money and Hahn and company are acting wisely to sit idly by while prices either drop or the season approaches. He has had since Nov to add some key additions to the Sox, even the damn Cubs have added some good additions. When Clev/KC are outspending us this offseason, something is wrong Edited January 17, 2013 by SOXOBAMA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 It took a minor miracle down the stretch and a dude hitting for the Triple Crown to get Detroit 88 wins last year. They may not be so lucky this time. Beyond, that, it also took an incredible collapse by the Sox for them to make it as well. Based on what I believe to be the talent level, I see about 83-85 wins. If I had to bet over or under on that, I'd take the over 100% of the time. I could easily see this team winning 90 games because I still don't think people realize how talented they are. Det upgraded their rotation and have V Mart coming back. I think Garcia will have a good season for them. Hunter will also help them at the plate & in the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 03:49 PM) He has had since Nov to add some key additions to the Sox, even the damn Cubs have added some good additions. When Clev/KC are outspending this offseason, something is wrong The Cubs spent $52 million on Edwin Jackson, took flyers on Scott Baker and Scott Feldman, and signed Nate Schierholtz. Anything I missed? The Indians traded away Choo and brought in Trevor Bauer, brought in Mike Aviles, spent $7 mill each on Mark Reynolds and Brett Myers, and spent $56 million on Nick Swisher. Essentially, they added Angel Sanchez, Tyler Flowers, and Adam Dunn to their lineup. The Royals traded away 4 of their best prospects for a great starting pitcher and a mediocre starting pitcher. They also traded for a guy who put up an ERA of like 5.50 last year. I'm not impressed with their overall team either. Of those, what could the Sox have done that would have been equitable and efficient but also greatly improved the team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Am I the only person not scared of Victor Martinez? Old, fat, injury prone...Not the kind of guy that puts fear in my heart. Like everyone, Detroit's success will come down to whether their number 1 and 2 starters can stay healthy and whether they can find a closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 03:53 PM) Det upgraded their rotation and have V Mart coming back. I think Garcia will have a good season for them. Hunter will also help them at the plate & in the field If Detroit upgraded their rotation (by resigning Anibal Sanchez), then the White Sox more than upgraded their rotation (by resigning Jake Peavy and getting John Danks back). Oh, and John Danks is back. I also don't know if you still are unaware of Garcia's numbers - they seem to like him, he put up decent numbers in a cup of coffee in September, but he strikes out a lot, doesn't walk, doesn't have blazing speed, and doesn't have great power. What's he supposed to do? Hunter also had a career year last year at the age of 37 fueled by a .389 BABIP. Far more likely is Hunter returning to about a .270/.330/.420 type of season, especially considering he turns 38 in July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 The Cubs spent $52 million on Edwin Jackson, took flyers on Scott Baker and Scott Feldman, and signed Nate Schierholtz. Anything I missed? The Indians traded away Choo and brought in Trevor Bauer, brought in Mike Aviles, spent $7 mill each on Mark Reynolds and Brett Myers, and spent $56 million on Nick Swisher. Essentially, they added Angel Sanchez, Tyler Flowers, and Adam Dunn to their lineup. The Royals traded away 4 of their best prospects for a great starting pitcher and a mediocre starting pitcher. They also traded for a guy who put up an ERA of like 5.50 last year. I'm not impressed with their overall team either. Of those, what could the Sox have done that would have been equitable and efficient but also greatly improved the team? He could've added a lefty hitter with speed to play CF, right now we have a guy in center who doesn't want to be there. A bullpen arm would be nice. 3B ( I don't see Keppinger as a full time player) Some decent bench players & backup C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 04:05 PM) He could've added a lefty hitter with speed to play CF, right now we have a guy in center who doesn't want to be there. A bullpen arm would be nice. 3B ( I don't see Keppinger as a full time player) Some decent bench players & backup C Do you mean Alejandro De Aza, DeWayne Wise, or Jordan Danks? Agree on the bullpen arm at the right price. Nothing long-term. There is plenty of talent in the minors to take up that spot as well. They offered Eric Chavez a contract worth more than the DBacks did. He wanted to play on the west coast. Unless you had your heart set on Jack Hannahan, there wasn't and isn't much left. I wouldn't mind seeing another infielder brought in to challenege Sanchez, and I'd like more depth at catcher, but otherwise, the bench is a rather small thing to argue about. All in all, those additional pieces will probably, at the most, result in about...2 wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Do you mean Alejandro De Aza, DeWayne Wise, or Jordan Danks? Agree on the bullpen arm at the right price. Nothing long-term. There is plenty of talent in the minors to take up that spot as well. They offered Eric Chavez a contract worth more than the DBacks did. He wanted to play on the west coast. Unless you had your heart set on Jack Hannahan, there wasn't and isn't much left. I wouldn't mind seeing another infielder brought in to challenege Sanchez, and I'd like more depth at catcher, but otherwise, the bench is a rather small thing to argue about. All in all, those additional pieces will probably, at the most, result in about...2 wins. It was said last year that DeAza wasn't comfy playing CF. They have said if Sanchez isn't a starter that he will start in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 04:16 PM) It was said last year that DeAza wasn't comfy playing CF. They have said if Sanchez isn't a starter that he will start in the minors. De Aza looked great pretty much all year, and he's only going to get more comfortable as time goes on. And Angel Sanchez. Not Carlos. He can't start in the minors without the Sox acquiring him from the Angels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I forgot about Angel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 03:53 PM) Det upgraded their rotation and have V Mart coming back. I think Garcia will have a good season for them. Hunter will also help them at the plate & in the field They also lost their closer and have a rookie slated to replace him. Plus they got some career years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 04:00 PM) If Detroit upgraded their rotation (by resigning Anibal Sanchez), then the White Sox more than upgraded their rotation (by resigning Jake Peavy and getting John Danks back). Oh, and John Danks is back. I also don't know if you still are unaware of Garcia's numbers - they seem to like him, he put up decent numbers in a cup of coffee in September, but he strikes out a lot, doesn't walk, doesn't have blazing speed, and doesn't have great power. What's he supposed to do? Hunter also had a career year last year at the age of 37 fueled by a .389 BABIP. Far more likely is Hunter returning to about a .270/.330/.420 type of season, especially considering he turns 38 in July. Plus he is moving into a massive pitchers park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteward Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 I wouldn't mind seeing another infielder brought in to challenege Sanchez, and I'd like more depth at catcher, but otherwise, the bench is a rather small thing to argue about.. If Bryan Anderson wins the back-up catcher spot he could platoon with Flowers vs RH/LH starting pitchers. I think Hahn will try to make a big deal maybe even a blockbuster deal before Spring Training. He knows that Sox fans need to be motivated to go to games and to do that the Sox have to field a competitive club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosox41 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 QUOTE (bhawk99 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 07:44 AM) Maybe some of us "whiny" fans simply realize that the already loaded Tigers became even tougher to beat during this off season and the Sox didn't. Do you really feel that adding Keppinger and losing AJ made us a better club? We will still support our team but in the back of our minds we know that making the playoffs with this current lineup even as a wildcard is a longshot. Was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor? Seriously, so this year is a wash according to you. So no reason to go out to even enjoy a baseball game on a nice night. Fine. You're choice. And last year when the team was ahead of the Tigers in the summer, did you "know" they weren't going to win and decided not to go? I hope that's not the make up many Sox fans. Or after 2010 when the team finished with 87 wins and they added Adam Dunn, was it not worth giving in to the excitement and buying tickets ahead of time for 2011. Or were you one of the prognostictors who said Dunn would have the worst offensive year ever and Rios would fall apart and the Sox had no chance so why bother? Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosox41 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 02:52 PM) If only I could be as optimistic as you. I don't see this team winning more than 42 games But if we bought Ditka in to manage...I'm thinking 162-0. And MLB would have to put in a slaughter rule as the Sox would be rolling over everyone. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosox41 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 02:52 PM) If only I could be as optimistic as you. I don't see this team winning more than 42 games But if we bought Ditka in to manage...I'm thinking 162-0. And MLB would have to put in a slaughter rule as the Sox would be rolling over everyone. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 QUOTE (southside_hitman @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 10:49 PM) If Bryan Anderson wins the back-up catcher spot he could platoon with Flowers vs RH/LH starting pitchers. I think Hahn will try to make a big deal maybe even a blockbuster deal before Spring Training. He knows that Sox fans need to be motivated to go to games and to do that the Sox have to field a competitive club. I think anyone expecting a major move is very likely going to be disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioHost Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 10:20 PM) I think anyone expecting a major move is very likely going to be disappointed. I agree but there are still some guys out there who could help the team, such as Kelly Johnson. Not saying they will get him, but it makes some sense (Johnson to Sox). He hits left handed, plays in the infield and probably could play 3rd if he had to. Has no worse of an arm than Youkilis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 QUOTE (RadioHost @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 10:32 PM) I agree but there are still some guys out there who could help the team, such as Kelly Johnson. Not saying they will get him, but it makes some sense (Johnson to Sox). He hits left handed, plays in the infield and probably could play 3rd if he had to. Has no worse of an arm than Youkilis. He's pretty mediocre defensively but, all the same, that would be a great addition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteward Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I think anyone expecting a major move is very likely going to be disappointed. I am one of the many fans to which you refer. What I am hopeful for is not a free agent acquisition (because there is nobody left that would have an impact) but a big trade. The Sox have a duplicative relief tandem with Nate Jones and Addison Reed. Reed was much ballyhooed and could add substantial value to any potential trade package. Then we have the usual suspects like Thornton and Floyd. You can add several more players that the Sox could throw in to make a deal for an impact player and who we probably would not end up missing much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 The problem is that what are Jones or Reed really worth? They're not centerpieces of any trade. Look no further than Sergio Santos. Some will argue Reed's a better closer, but I'm not so sure yet. You're not going to get anything significant back because they're both still relatively unproven, and then you're keeping bigger contracts like Thornton and Crain around still. We went through extended periods last year when Jones was struggling and/or Crain was hurt where we sorely missed a dependable RH reliever who could get through the 7th and 8th innings. Wouldn't it make just as much sense to take a risk with dumping Thornton and using that freed up money on something more useful? Someone mentioned Viciedo and Floyd for Olt to shore up 3B and allow Keppinger to be a jack of all trades. The problem is that creates a hole in the outfield that Trayce Thompson is not yet ready to fill. And then moving DeAza from CF to LF makes his offensive skill set an at best break even proposition but overall probably not likely to deliver above average performance from a corner (compared to CF). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhawk99 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Once Rick Hahn gets off the life support system and snaps out of the coma he is has been all off season then I am sure he will make a blockbuster deal. If he could just wiggle his toes to let us know he is still alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 QUOTE (bhawk99 @ Jan 18, 2013 -> 09:19 PM) Once Rick Hahn gets off the life support system and snaps out of the coma he is has been all off season then I am sure he will make a blockbuster deal. If he could just wiggle his toes to let us know he is still alive. 40 seconds to deep fry a buffalo? BUT I WANT IT NOW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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