Rick Hahn

[southsider2k5]

Ownership that is willing to do whatever it takes to build an organization that has sustained success. Sustained success, to begin with, is multiple postseasons in a row.

 

So, again, there are about 10 teams in baseball that should have fans based on this movement of the goalposts, though less if there is a relatively quick expiration date on this titles.

[nickofypres]

Sox are usually competitive every year.

 

Yeah, the Sox don't go to the playoffs every year, but under Jerry and Eddie the Sox have been competitive most years, or at least projected to compete, especially over the last 10-12 years.

 

I think most of us wish they would make the playoffs more, but going into most springs you know the Sox are going to be in the race until September. I mean, what could a fan base wan't more? Obviously its not the Yankees, but its better than being the Royals, Pirates, Cubs, etc.

 

EDIT: Leaves me a question, what does Einhorn do? Is he still a majority owner like JR, or?

Edited January 10, 2013 by whitesox901

[Marty34]

So, again, there are about 10 teams in baseball that should have fans based on this movement of the goalposts, though less if there is a relatively quick expiration date on this titles.

 

There's nothing wrong with the Sox fan base that fielding a sustained winner would not cure. Over 30 years, this ownership has proven to be incapable of that.

[balfanman]

Yeah, the Sox don't go to the playoffs every year, but under Jerry and Eddie the Sox have been competitive most years, or at least projected to compete, especially over the last 10-12 years.

 

Well.... except for 2005

[Marty34]

Sox are usually competitive every year.

 

Yeah, the Sox don't go to the playoffs every year, but under Jerry and Eddie the Sox have been competitive most years, or at least projected to compete, especially over the last 10-12 years.

 

I think most of us wish they would make the playoffs more, but going into most springs you know the Sox are going to be in the race until September, its not the Yankees, but its better than being the Royals, Pirates, Cubs, etc.

 

 

EDIT: Leaves me a question, what does Einhorn do? Is he still a majority owner like JR, or?

 

The bar needs to be higher than that.

[bigruss]

The bar needs to be higher than that.

Agreed, but it is.

[southsider2k5]

There's nothing wrong with the Sox fan base that fielding a sustained winner would not cure. Over 30 years, this ownership has proven to be incapable of that.

 

As have pretty much any other organization in baseball, except for a very few. Pretty much you are down to something like the Yankees, Red Sox, Braves, Phillies, Twins, Oakland, (though the Twins are terrible now, so they would have be disqualified) and Angels. Even out of that group, the Yankees and Braves are the only ones who really had true "sustained" success over those magic 30 years.

 

The funny part is that the Braves and A's have horrible time drawing fans. The Twins did have issues until the new ballpark.

[Marty34]

As have pretty much any other organization in baseball, except for a very few. Pretty much you are down to something like the Yankees, Red Sox, Braves, Phillies, Twins, Oakland, (though the Twins are terrible now, so they would have be disqualified) and Angels. Even out of that group, the Yankees and Braves are the only ones who really had true "sustained" success over those magic 30 years.

 

The funny part is that the Braves and A's have horrible time drawing fans. The Twins did have issues until the new ballpark.

 

You can throw the cardinals, Giants, and Rangers in their as well. That's the kind of organization Sox fans deserve.

[southsider2k5]

You can throw the cardinals, Giants, and Rangers in their as well. That's the kind of organization Sox fans deserve.

 

Rangers and Giants haven't had 30 years of sustained success. They have had as much success over the last 30 years as the White Sox. Giants have never had back to back post seasons. Rangers have never won a World Series, plus they didn't make a post season until 1996.

[Marty34]

Rangers and Giants haven't had 30 years of sustained success. They have had as much success over the last 30 years as the White Sox. Giants have never had back to back post seasons. Rangers have never won a World Series, plus they didn't make a post season until 1996.

 

What about the Cardinals though? Point is, 30 years of Chairman Reinsdorf's ownership is enough. Fresh ideas are sorely needed.

 

[southsider2k5]

What about the Cardinals though? Point is, 30 years of Chairman Reinsdorf's ownership is enough. Fresh ideas are sorely needed.

 

You have eliminated about 70-80% of franchises in baseball as worthy by your standards. While not the best, the Sox aren't nearly as bad as you want them to be.

[Marty34]

You have eliminated about 70-80% of franchises in baseball as worthy by your standards. While not the best, the Sox aren't nearly as bad as you want them to be.

 

Are you happy with ownership?

[southsider2k5]

Are you happy with ownership?

 

Comparing the White Sox ownership to what is being done with other teams, including baseball and other sports, I don't have a substantial complaint with Sox ownership.

[Balta1701]

Rangers and Giants haven't had 30 years of sustained success. They have had as much success over the last 30 years as the White Sox. Giants have never had back to back post seasons. Rangers have never won a World Series, plus they didn't make a post season until 1996.

And, oh yeah...the Rangers also were in bankruptcy 5 years ago.

 

Do white sox fans deserve a franchise in bankruptcy?

[Marty34]

Comparing the White Sox ownership to what is being done with other teams, including baseball and other sports, I don't have a substantial complaint with Sox ownership.

 

I just think they're ok with what they are, very little new ideas ever get introduced because they hire so much from within. 30 years is enough given the mostly miss track record.

[Marty34]

And, oh yeah...the Rangers also were in bankruptcy 5 years ago.

 

Do white sox fans deserve a franchise in bankruptcy?

 

Dodgers were bankrupt too, maybe that's the way to go.

[The Ultimate Champion]

Are you happy with ownership?

I am.

 

2003 was a great team on paper considering the talent, but the players choked on the Twins. Sox added Everett, Alomar, Schoenweis, Scott Sullivan IIRC, they really tried.

 

2004 the Sox tried again, but Thomas & Maggs went down. But the Sox were still looking to pick up Carlos Delgado who blocked a deal here, plus they acquired Freddy & Contreras that season. IMO they went above & beyond that year.

 

2005 we won it.

 

2006 we went for it & arguably fielded the most talented team in baseball that year, again on paper. But, again, the players choked on the Twins and championships aren't won on paper.

 

2007 was horrible, blame the Sox for that if you want.

 

2008 wasn't a great team, but they had a high payroll, acquired Swisher over the offseason, Griffey at the deadline, etc. Again, they tried.

 

2009 still tried again, at least somewhat, and claimed Rios. Blame ownership there if you want to, but still there's the high payroll.

 

2010 they got Peavy, 2011 they went "all-in" with the highest payroll in Sox history, etc.

 

It's pretty ridiculous to call out ownership when ownership has clearly been trying to win for most of the last decade or so. Ownership can't play for the players. Ozzie & his coaching staff made things a lot worse than they could have been, but the highly paid veteran talent on the field is where most of the blame lies. The only complaint on Reinsdorf over the last 10+ years should be his approach to the amateur draft & international free agency, but as has been stated a thousand times on this board, mostly by The Ultimate Champion himself, Jerry was the one guy in the room with enough respect for himself & the game to play by the rules while everyone else abused them. On principle alone I can't fault JR for being a true man of his word, even if it pissed me off as a Sox fan to watch good players fall past the Sox to sign overslot bonuses with other teams & also to watch top international prospects get snapped up via big bonuses without the Sox even being mentioned as a team with scouts in attendance. But now that the system has changed the Sox are playing alongside everyone else & all is well. No reason to b**** about JR at all other than if you're trolling.

 

Hahn OTOH? Guy is a bum. Get him out of here.

[ZionrulZ]

 

The White Sox announced that they agreed to sign seven players to minor league contracts that include invitations to MLB Spring Training. Right-handers Jeff Gray and Ramon Troncoso, left-hander David Purcey, catcher Bryan Anderson, infielders Josh Bell and Steve Tolleson and outfielder Stefan Gartrell will all report to Glendale next month.

 

Gray pitched for the Twins in 2012, posting a 5.71 ERA with 4.5 K/9 and 3.8 BB/9 in 52 innings. Troncoso, who turns 30 next month, pitched for the Dodgers' Triple-A team in 2012. Purcey also spent the 2012 season at Triple-A, and he struck out more than one batter per inning at that level while struggling to limit walks. The 26-year-old Anderson appeared in ten games for last year's Cardinals team. Bell, formerly a top prospect, played in 21 games for the Diamondbacks in 2012. Tolleson appeared in 29 games with the 2012 Orioles, posting a .183/.227/.310 batting line as a utility player. Gartrell posted a .787 OPS with 20 home runs for the Braves' top affiliate last year.

 

 

Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#TtZLT1wDpPey5ePM.99

 

Thanks Rick!!!

[southsider2k5]

I just think they're ok with what they are, very little new ideas ever get introduced because they hire so much from within. 30 years is enough given the mostly miss track record.

 

The Sox have pretty well eliminated the big valley's that lots of franchises suffer through. That is a pretty important consideration when you look at the lack of tolerance from the fan base.

[Marty34]

The Sox have pretty well eliminated the big valley's that lots of franchises suffer through. That is a pretty important consideration when you look at the lack of tolerance from the fan base.

 

That's all well and good, but it's not enough. It's weird how Sox fans seem conditioned to accept the current state of the franchise. After 30 years, have to wonder when Chairman Reinsdorf sells. Maybe when the Comcast deal ends (is it 2019?). Hopefully sooner.

 

[southsider2k5]

That's all well and good, but it's not enough. It's weird how Sox fans seem conditioned to accept the current state of the franchise. After 30 years, have to wonder when Chairman Reinsdorf sells. Maybe when the Comcast deal ends (is it 2019?). Hopefully sooner.

 

Jerry doesn't own even a majority share of the team.

[Marty34]

Jerry doesn't own even a majority share of the team.

 

I don't know if that's true anymore. I've heard he's been aggressively buying up shares the last couple of years.

[Balta1701]

That's all well and good, but it's not enough. It's weird how Sox fans seem conditioned to accept the current state of the franchise. After 30 years, have to wonder when Chairman Reinsdorf sells. Maybe when the Comcast deal ends (is it 2019?). Hopefully sooner.

The Comcast deal ends in 2019.

 

However, both the Cubs and Sox I believe, are part owners of the Comcast network, so the Sox ownership group does see some additional cash when the ratings improve.

[southsider2k5]

I don't know if that's true anymore. I've heard he's been aggressively buying up shares the last couple of years.

 

Any actual proof of that?

[Balta1701]

Dodgers were bankrupt too, maybe that's the way to go.

They have 6 playoff appearances in their last 20+ years and 0 world series appearances, let alone wins, during that era.

 

You'd be making the same case if you were a dodger fan.

 

And it's also worked great for turning the Cubs into a winner.