Which teams are good trading partners with Sox ?

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

When and if Rick Hahn makes a trade or 2 ,which teams are best suited to trade with the Sox ?

 

I don't usually like to play GM because my ignorance on other franchises sort of limits that. But plenty of you are very knowledgeable.

 

I like the National's as a trade partner. Even as the team with the best record in 2012 they still need a back of the rotation pitcher and bullpen help. With Zimmerman at 3rd they are set there but 2 of their top 5 minor leaguer's are 3rd basemen Anthony Rendon and Matt Skole .

 

Rendon is right handed hits for good average and has good plate discipline and also has a pretty good glove. Skole is their best power prospect, is LH ,and projects to be more of 1st baseman. Don't think either one of them should be considered untouchable. Skole is 23 and will be entering his 1st year above A+ level but was the Nats MiL pLayer of the Year. Rendon has had injury issues but is the Nats #1 prospect

 

Unfortunately for the Sox the Nats will probably try to fill their holes by trading Michael Morse now that they have resigned Adam LaRoche. Alas, Morse is not the LH middle of the order bat they seek but he doe hit RHP decently.

 

I have no idea what it would take for the Sox to pry away Rendon or Skole but we need some legit minor league prospects badly at those positions.

 

Any few of Floyd, Santiago, Quintana, Thornton, Veal, Axelrod, Jones, Reed, Castro, Rienzo could fill the Nats pitching holes and even take some salary off the Sox books. Maybe the Sox could get the LH bat they seek in a 3 way trade which I am not going to try to tackle.

 

 

[SOXOBAMA]

I'd like to see the Sox make a trade with Texas for Mike Olt & David Murphy

Edited January 9, 2013 by SOXOBAMA

[oldsox]

The Rockies are desperate for pitching, and they have several young infielders and outfielders who can both hit and play good defense. Plus, the Colorado GM's, and I'm trying to state this delicately, are not very smart.

[southsider2k5]

When and if Rick Hahn makes a trade or 2 ,which teams are best suited to trade with the Sox ?

 

I don't usually like to play GM because my ignorance on other franchises sort of limits that. But plenty of you are very knowledgeable.

 

I like the National's as a trade partner. Even as the team with the best record in 2012 they still need a back of the rotation pitcher and bullpen help. With Zimmerman at 3rd they are set there but 2 of their top 5 minor leaguer's are 3rd basemen Anthony Rendon and Matt Skole .

 

Rendon is right handed hits for good average and has good plate discipline and also has a pretty good glove. Skole is their best power prospect, is LH ,and projects to be more of 1st baseman. Don't think either one of them should be considered untouchable. Skole is 23 and will be entering his 1st year above A+ level but was the Nats MiL pLayer of the Year. Rendon has had injury issues but is the Nats #1 prospect

 

Unfortunately for the Sox the Nats will probably try to fill their holes by trading Michael Morse now that they have resigned Adam LaRoche. Alas, Morse is not the LH middle of the order bat they seek but he doe hit RHP decently.

 

I have no idea what it would take for the Sox to pry away Rendon or Skole but we need some legit minor league prospects badly at those positions.

 

Any few of Floyd, Santiago, Quintana, Thornton, Veal, Axelrod, Jones, Reed, Castro, Rienzo could fill the Nats pitching holes and even take some salary off the Sox books. Maybe the Sox could get the LH bat they seek in a 3 way trade which I am not going to try to tackle.

 

Maybe Hahn will be different but I don't see the Sox as a match with the Nats after the fallout from the Adam Dunn/Edwin Jackson stuff.

[Balta1701]

There are no teams in MLB who are a good matchup for the White Sox if they're not willing to move Sale.

 

The White Sox have a rounded team, with someone to fill every position, but they have no obvious upcoming stars to trade out of their minors and no current positions where an average player or veteran would be a substantial upgrade.

 

The Asset the Sox do have is pitching depth, but their depth is made up largely of guys worth more to the Sox than to other teams, because of contract reasons, etc.

 

The White Sox's need right now is an impact player at some position where they have an average player...but impact players do not come cheap. You are not getting impact players right now by trading away 24-25 year olds who aren't dominating the minors. You can get quality players, but quality players aren't a significant upgrade right now.

[Eminor3rd]

My personal (somewhat speculatively plausible) pipe dream lately has been thinking about the Rockies dumping CarGo on the Sox for every minor league pitcher they want and probably Viciedo. This is after I took a look at his numbers recently and was shocked at how much better his slash lines are than I thought, and how he is left-handed and all, and how he would be so much better defensively if he just played LF all the time. But this is more because it would be really fun than necessarily a good move for each team.

[Balta1701]

My personal (somewhat speculatively plausible) pipe dream lately has been thinking about the Rockies dumping CarGo on the Sox for every minor league pitcher they want and probably Viciedo. This is after I took a look at his numbers recently and was shocked at how much better his slash lines are than I thought, and how he is left-handed and all, and how he would be so much better defensively if he just played LF all the time. But this is more because it would be really fun than necessarily a good move for each team.

Including his home/road splits? Because most people seem shocked at how bad those are.

[witesoxfan]

Including his home/road splits? Because most people seem shocked at how bad those are.

 

I forget where I read the article, but it basically was stating that playing half of his games at the best hitters park in the NL will naturally skew his statistics towards a large home/away split, then you consider that he also plays atleast 27 games at LA, SF, and SD, then he plays any number of other games at pitchers parks and less favorable conditions than Colorado throughout the year, and then you consider that players hit better at home than they do on the road in general, and that .300+ difference between OPS is not as big a deal as people have made it out to be. The question lies wondering whether he is a .900 OPS player outside of Coors or closer to a .800-.850 OPS player. Depending upon the price, I think it's be worth it.

[Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm]

Including his home/road splits? Because most people seem shocked at how bad those are.

 

 

His home/road splits are nearly identical.

 

Home: .263 .302 .445 .747

Road: .263 .313 .426 .739

 

*shrug*

[southsider2k5]

His home/road splits are nearly identical.

 

Home: .263 .302 .445 .747

Road: .263 .313 .426 .739

 

*shrug*

 

I have no idea where you got those numbers.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...=Career&t=b

 

2012

H: .368/.347/.609/1.046

R .234/.301/.405/.706

 

career

H: .338/.394/.609/1.003

R: .258/.313/.422/.735

 

 

[witesoxfan]

He was looking at Viciedo

[southsider2k5]

He was looking at Viciedo

 

Ah, now I get it.

[Eminor3rd]

Including his home/road splits? Because most people seem shocked at how bad those are.

 

 

I forget where I read the article, but it basically was stating that playing half of his games at the best hitters park in the NL will naturally skew his statistics towards a large home/away split, then you consider that he also plays atleast 27 games at LA, SF, and SD, then he plays any number of other games at pitchers parks and less favorable conditions than Colorado throughout the year, and then you consider that players hit better at home than they do on the road in general, and that .300+ difference between OPS is not as big a deal as people have made it out to be. The question lies wondering whether he is a .900 OPS player outside of Coors or closer to a .800-.850 OPS player. Depending upon the price, I think it's be worth it.

 

This probably isn't what you are referring to, wite, but it covers the same issue with Justin Upton and I think makes those same points: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/j...-effect-mirage/

 

Some highlights:

 

For starters, home field advantage is a real thing, and most players hit better at home than they do on the road. Last year, non-pitchers posted an aggregate .327 wOBA in their home parks and a .314 wOBA on the road. In 2011, it was .326/.315. In 2010, it was .335/.317. For the 714 players who have garnered at least 100 PA at both home and road over the last five years, the weighted average comes out to a 14 point wOBA advantage at home. Pretty much every player is better than his road performance alone suggests. Home field advantage is not solely an effect of the dimensions and weather, and hitters derive some benefit from playing in their home park even if it is not a hitter friendly park. It is entirely possible for the dimensions and weather to wipe out that effect, and then some, so that hitting at home is a net negative in some parks, but the negatives are smaller than the positives in large part due to the non-park related aspects of home field advantage.

 

Second, we cannot pretend that “away” is the same thing for every hitter, nor is “away” an even playing time distribution in neutral parks. Upton plays in the NL West. Because of unbalanced schedule, his career road games have skewed heavily towards San Francisco, San Diego, Los Angeles, and Colorado; 45% of his career “away” plate appearances have come in those four parks. Maybe Colorado and San Diego cancel each other out to some degree, but that still leaves a big chunk of games in cooler weather west coast cities, and not surprisingly, Upton hasn’t hit well in either LA or San Francisco.

 

In fact, when you look at a hitter who plays in an extreme hitters park at home, and then you only look at his road stats, you’re almost certainly going to be looking at a collection of parks that skew to the pitcher side, because you’ve automatically removed one of the few remaining hitters parks from the sample. Buster Posey’s road numbers include both Colorado and Arizona, but not San Francisco. We should not be surprised that these numbers are better than those published by a guy whose road numbers swap out out a hitter’s paradise for a pitchers haven.

 

Finally, there’s the simple reality of necessary regression. Even over multiple years, we’re still dealing with noisy data, and noisy data has to heavily regressed if it’s going to be used in a projection. We know the left/right platoon split is real, but we still regress left/right platoon splits more towards league average than a player’s individual split up to the 1,000/2,200 PA levels for left-handers and right-handers. Regression is just a fact of life when it comes to split data, and if you’re not heavily regressing splits, you’re probably using them incorrectly.

Edited January 9, 2013 by Eminor3rd

[witesoxfan]

That was the exactly article I was thinking of, I just had it pidgeonholed as Gonzalez opposed to Upton for some reason.

[Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm]

I have no idea where you got those numbers.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...=Career&t=b

 

2012

H: .368/.347/.609/1.046

R .234/.301/.405/.706

 

career

H: .338/.394/.609/1.003

R: .258/.313/.422/.735

 

Apparently, Yahoo Sports sucks them ballz.

 

[ScottyDo]

Apparently, Yahoo Sports sucks them ballz.

 

The home/away splits they're talking about are for Carlos Gonzalez, not Dayan Viciedo