Americans Life Expectancy

[kitekrazy]

why didn't you get suspended? color me pissed.

 

 

in any case, i give a s*** because 1) i'm compassionate 2) healthcare costs 3) if they start caring, the government and the FDA may just start caring more, which will help me get better access to healthier food.

 

Investigate healthcare costs. Better yet go to medical school and let Reality 101 when you start your first internship.

 

Government is better at fuxing things than fixing things. Your last statement also points out that the whole "living healthy scheme" is a monopoly. Wow! That industry profits from evil capitalism too.

 

BTW this whole lame argument by CNN, if true solves the Social Security problem.

 

 

 

[Reddy]

Your last statement also points out that the whole "living healthy scheme" is a monopoly. Wow! That industry profits from evil capitalism too.

 

huh?

[ptatc]

Let the dopes running this country add another tax when they can't trim their budget? Walk into a public school where the kids are given a government breakfast. The government only requires calories. None of it is really healthy. The sugar content alone would be like eating 4 Snicker bars.

I know this is a little off topic but did you know that the government considers pizza a vegetable? In Will county the schools can now only serve cheese pizza. This is because if it has anything like sausage it won't meet the State governments criteria for a vegetable.

[mr_genius]

Let the dopes running this country add another tax when they can't trim their budget? Walk into a public school where the kids are given a government breakfast. The government only requires calories. None of it is really healthy. The sugar content alone would be like eating 4 Snicker bars.

 

don't worry, the tax only applies to fat people. we can use the tax revenue and apply it for tax cuts. it will be 'revenue neutral'.

[mr_genius]

Really?

 

YES

[Soxbadger]

i wasn't here for that, but that's asinine.

 

No one said this. Bmags just makes s*** up.

[Reddy]

Let the dopes running this country add another tax when they can't trim their budget? Walk into a public school where the kids are given a government breakfast. The government only requires calories. None of it is really healthy. The sugar content alone would be like eating 4 Snicker bars.

 

lol exactly - the government is terrible when it comes to the health/nutrition of americans. they wanna keep us sick to keep the medical industry thriving.

[Jake]

A big issue is that information is a concern for weight loss and health. There is enough dispute among seemingly reliable people as well as incoherent, contradictory messages coming from those people and others who wish to profit that even an honest inquiry can be totally mind boggling. Its as if youre not allowed to eat anything if you try to combine all the advice in the media.

[Reddy]

A big issue is that information is a concern for weight loss and health. There is enough dispute among seemingly reliable people as well as incoherent, contradictory messages coming from those people and others who wish to profit that even an honest inquiry can be totally mind boggling. Its as if youre not allowed to eat anything if you try to combine all the advice in the media.

 

you can eat veggies!

[ptatc]

lol exactly - the government is terrible when it comes to the health/nutrition of americans. they wanna keep us sick to keep the medical industry thriving.

Yes, we in the medical industry are in with the government for this conspiracy. You caught us.

[Reddy]

Yes, we in the medical industry are in with the government for this conspiracy. You caught us.

aren't you and your industry better off if more people are sick more often?

 

EDIT: I'm not saying individual medical professionals such as yourself are bad people, or in cahoots, but the INDUSTRY itself is governed by the same capitalistic principles as our nation. the dollar rules all.

Edited January 12, 2013 by Reddy

[southsideirish71]

aren't you and your industry better off if more people are sick more often?

 

EDIT: I'm not saying individual medical professionals such as yourself are bad people, or in cahoots, but the INDUSTRY itself is governed by the same capitalistic principles as our nation. the dollar rules all.

 

I will make sure that I tell my wife, an oncology nurse, that she should be happy that all of her beds are full of people with cancer because its generating revenue. That should go over extremely well after she gets home at 9:30 from her 12 hour shift that is supposed to end at 7pm. You know those dollar signs, I guess they are hooked on that whole chemo scam. Go Company, Profits!!!!!!

 

Edited January 12, 2013 by southsideirish71

[Reddy]

I will make sure that I tell my wife, and oncology nurse, that she should be happy that all of her beds are full of people with cancer because its generating revenue. That should go over extremely well after she gets home at 9:30 from her 12 hour shift that is supposed to end at 7pm. You know those dollar signs, I guess they are hooked on that whole chemo scam.

 

we have some of the highest cancer rates in the world even though we spend a ridiculous amount on health care.

 

what gives?

[Reddy]

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles...-the-world.aspx

 

"This is no accident," Dr. Epstein writes. "Zeneca Pharmaceuticals--a spin-off of Imperial Chemical Industries is one of the world's largest manufacturers of chlorinated and other industrial chemicals, including those incriminated as causes of breast cancer.

 

Zeneca has also been the sole multimillion-dollar funder of the National Breast Cancer Awareness Month since its inception in 1984, besides the sole manufacturer of Tamoxifen, the world's top-selling anticancer and breast cancer "prevention" drug, with $400 million in annual sales. Furthermore, Zeneca recently assumed direct management of 11 cancer centers in U.S. hospitals. Zeneca owns a 50 percent stake in these centers known collectively as Salick Health Care."

 

Take the leukemia drug Mylotarg, which was brought to market in 2000 after being tested on just 142 patients. In 2010 the FDA asked Pfizer to withdraw the drug after a clinical trial showed that more people were dying while being treated with the drug than among those not taking it.

 

Similarly, in 2008 the FDA granted Avastin accelerated approval to treat metastatic breast cancer. In 2011, the Agency deemed the drug to be more harmful than beneficial based on recent studies, and recommended phasing it out as a treatment. As is often the case with cancer drugs, Avastin was also extraordinarily expensive, and cost about $8,000 a month.

 

So as you can see, the drug companies stand to gain immense amounts of money by getting their drugs approved as quickly as possible. The drug company gains between $1 million and $2 million for EVERY extra day that the drug is approved.

[CrimsonWeltall]

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles...-the-world.aspx

 

Not making a comment on the cancer drugs topic since I don't know anything about it, but you should avoid mercola.com. Joe Mercola is an anti-science quack and that site is filled with nonsense.

[Reddy]

Not making a comment on the cancer drugs topic since I don't know anything about it, but you should avoid mercola.com. Joe Mercola is an anti-science quack and that site is filled with nonsense.

 

haha that's actually why i used quotes from other doctors - not him.

[ptatc]

aren't you and your industry better off if more people are sick more often?

 

EDIT: I'm not saying individual medical professionals such as yourself are bad people, or in cahoots, but the INDUSTRY itself is governed by the same capitalistic principles as our nation. the dollar rules all.

Not really. Currently, we are so swamped with patients that we cannot handle to patient load. This makes the patient's extremely irritable and makes my job harder. It would be better if we had about a 20% decrease in patient's. We would as much money and the patients would be happier.

 

This is the problem I have with the proposed version of health insurance. We cannot handle the volume now. If we add more people into the system, the quality of care is going to drop proportionally to number of people added. There are just not enough qualified people in healthcare.

[Reddy]

Not really. Currently, we are so swamped with patients that we cannot handle to patient load. This makes the patient's extremely irritable and makes my job harder. It would be better if we had about a 20% decrease in patient's. We would as much money and the patients would be happier.

 

This is the problem I have with the proposed version of health insurance. We cannot handle the volume now. If we add more people into the system, the quality of care is going to drop proportionally to number of people added. There are just not enough qualified people in healthcare.

 

but as is, YOU are making the same amount, but the pharmaceutical bosses are making much more when you guys are over capacity.

[StrangeSox]

I know this is a little off topic but did you know that the government considers pizza a vegetable? In Will county the schools can now only serve cheese pizza. This is because if it has anything like sausage it won't meet the State governments criteria for a vegetable.

 

IIRC this is because of lobbying, e.g. ketchup producers lobby to get ketchup considered a vegetable so that schools will buy more of it.

[Jake]

we have some of the highest cancer rates in the world even though we spend a ridiculous amount on health care.

 

what gives?

 

Don't you think that may have something to do with other lifestyle factors that put us at risk for cancer, like being the fattest country?

[Jake]

you can eat veggies!

 

But depending on who you listen to, only certain ones. Don't buy the ones from Kroger, they're GMO and pesticide-laden. Find your nearest Whole Foods, food stamp recipient.

[Reddy]

Don't you think that may have something to do with other lifestyle factors that put us at risk for cancer, like being the fattest country?

 

and... we're the fattest... because of our food... supply...

 

i'm confused on how what you said is different from what i said

[Y2HH]

and... we're the fattest... because of our food... supply...

 

i'm confused on how what you said is different from what i said

 

We're the fattest because we can be. You'd rather hear excuses in our excuse laden society, because it's an easier route to take. But it's all choice...and the choice the majority of us make is to not care/be lazy/blame someone or something else. It's NOT because of our food supply, considering the choices that exist in our food supply, which are nearly endless.

 

It's because we eat WAY more than necessary, but never burn it off because we'd rather sit around and watch TV.

 

First world problems.

 

I have an idea, get off your lazy asses and work out...society has changed, and office jobs are a new reality...if you sit around all day long at a desk -- like most of us do -- then you need to supplement working out into your life. Period. Unlike the generations of industrial workers before us, we don't put on hard hats and get 8 hours of exercise just by doing our back breaking jobs all day long.

 

 

[Reddy]

We're the fattest because we can be. You'd rather hear excuses in our excuse laden society, because it's an easier route to take. But it's all choice...and the choice the majority of us make is to not care/be lazy/blame someone or something else. It's NOT because of our food supply, considering the choices that exist in our food supply, which are nearly endless.

 

It's because we eat WAY more than necessary, but never burn it off because we'd rather sit around and watch TV.

 

First world problems.

 

I have an idea, get off your lazy asses and work out...society has changed, and office jobs are a new reality...if you sit around all day long at a desk -- like most of us do -- then you need to supplement working out into your life. Period. Unlike the generations of industrial workers before us, we don't put on hard hats and get 8 hours of exercise just by doing our back breaking jobs all day long.

 

 

i agree with just about everything here - but the fact that the government subsidizes the very industries that cause unhealthy foods to be cheaper than healthy foods IS a huge part of the problem in terms of cost and availability, regardless of personal responsibility - which I do believe in even though I'm a liberal. Shocking. I know.

[Y2HH]

i agree with just about everything here - but the fact that the government subsidizes the very industries that cause unhealthy foods to be cheaper than healthy foods IS a huge part of the problem in terms of cost and availability, regardless of personal responsibility - which I do believe in even though I'm a liberal. Shocking. I know.

 

It would be impossible for me to say your argument doesn't have some degree of weight behind it. So, I agree to a point.

 

But more than the unhealthy/cheaper choices, I personally believe that more so than any other factor, is people tend to ignore the new reality in which they live. People exercise less than then they once did, as their jobs, and even daily life REQUIRED more exercise. Things as simple as washing dishes has become an automated process with dishwashers. Even kids...smart, educated kids from educated families...they watch too much TV, and play too many video games because the parents are too busy trying to hold down 56 jobs so they can own 2 houses, 4 cars, take fancy vacations, etc, etc...everyone has time to f*** and have kids...but it seems nobody has time to raise them themselves. As for things like making sure sure they do things like exercise...meh, who has time for that? Because, you know, the little amount of time most modern parents spend with their kids, the TV acts their new "baby sitter", because who the f*** has time for that s***?

 

To me, it's excuse after excuse. Take me for example...I'd LOVVEEEE it if my wife worked...as my job alone gets us by, if she had money coming in it'd be PURE cream off the top...we'd have the money for all this extravagant stuff that we don't really need. Sure, our daughter (and the second one on the way) would suffer, but we'd have all that extra stuff people worry about. How about no thanks. How about we raise the kids we decided to have so long as we can afford to NOT sacrifice them in the name of extra spending money. WE chose to have them. WE will raise them. Not some nanny, not their grandparents...US. And right now, that means we don't get to take extravagant island vacations. I took them camping 3 times last summer, once to South Dakota, once to Northern Wisconsin and once to Southern IL. That was our vacation time. Yes, sleeping in tents, not hotels. Also, I have no netflix, and only basic cable...because we cannot afford a 200+$ cable bill every month, unless of course she went to work...then we can have all that extra crap.

 

The reality is, we've become a society of wanting our cake and eating it too. We want to sit in an office all day instead of being a laborer, but we don't want to exercise. We want kids...but who the f*** has time to actually raise them? It's much easier to just blame someone, such as the government, than actually doing something about it DESPITE living in a country where you actually CAN do something about it...like exercising, or living with a little less to stay within your means.

Edited January 14, 2013 by Y2HH