Americans Life Expectancy

[Reddy]

Y2HH have you ever worked in a food service industry?

[Y2HH]

In the end, I think my point is you don't need to be nutritionist to know if somethings bad for you. I think step one is caring. Even rich people smoke...and they know it's bad for them. Most of the time, they just don't care until they have to care...something changed in them that they suddenly care. The same applies to food. People tend to not care about the damage they're doing until the damage becomes apparent.

 

And correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't the black females life expectancy in this country the highest of ANY others?

[Y2HH]

Y2HH have you ever worked in a food service industry?

 

I have.

[Y2HH]

dude HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS? you're literally just hypothesizing.

 

I coach people every day on nutrition, and you would be AMAZED at the amount of misinformation. Any time someone tells me they eat "clean", I tell them I want to know what that means to them, and give me a breakdown of a daily diet. It's almost never ACTUALLY clean.

 

I also see it every single day in NYC in these impoverished areas where you'll be in a Subway ordering a sandwich and the woman next to you goes "no cheese, that s***'ll go straight to my ass" while a split second later she wants a ton of mayo and sauces.

 

people are stupid.

 

They're actually getting some of that misinformation from you.

[Reddy]

In the end, I think my point is you don't need to be nutritionist to know if somethings bad for you. I think step one is caring. Even rich people smoke...and they know it's bad for them. Most of the time, they just don't care until they have to care...something changed in them that they suddenly care. The same applies to food. People tend to not care about the damage they're doing until the damage becomes apparent.

 

And correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't the black females life expectancy in this country the highest of ANY others?

 

you're hella wrong.

 

Black males born in 2008 could expect to live 70.2 years, 6.6 years fewer than Black females (76.8 years). The difference between White males and females was 4.9 years, with life expectancies at birth of 75.7 and 80.6 years, respectively.

[Reddy]

They're actually getting some of that misinformation from you.

oh? do tell!

[Y2HH]

you're hella wrong.

 

So hella wrong...that they outlive WHITE males.

 

You failed.

[Reddy]

So hella wrong...that they outlive WHITE males.

 

You failed.

... I ... you... you were... wrong....

[Y2HH]

... I ... you... you were... wrong....

 

Ok, so they don't outlive ONE other demographic...but somehow outlive all the rest...despite everything going against them.

 

My point stands...whether you like it or not.

 

And just to clear it up for your white guilt...uneducated black females outlive YOU.

Edited January 12, 2013 by Y2HH

[Reddy]

 

actually hispanics outlive all of 'em.

 

so... you're even more wrong.

 

EDIT: what a dumb graph that didn't bring the numbers with it! well... hispanic is the green line. and it's higher than the rest. Here's the article: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/09...ncy.html?ref=us

Edited January 12, 2013 by Reddy

[Reddy]

the graph also shows poor white folks' life expectancy dropping DRAMATICALLY.

 

so... why's that?

[Y2HH]

 

actually hispanics outlive all of 'em.

 

so... you're even more wrong.

 

EDIT: what a dumb graph that didn't bring the numbers with it! well... hispanic is the green line. and it's higher than the rest. Here's the article: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/09...ncy.html?ref=us

 

And the trend is that whites are going down. And everyone else is going up. Because that makes sense.

[Y2HH]

the graph also shows poor white folks' life expectancy dropping DRAMATICALLY.

 

so... why's that?

 

Watch how easy this is...

 

 

And poor black folks' life expectancy is rising DRAMATICALLY.

 

so... why's that?

[Reddy]

And the trend is that whites are going down. And everyone else is going up. Because that makes sense.

poor whites.

 

lack of availability, cost, and misinformation

 

along with a terrible health care system, bad genes, and drugs (meth, etc)

[Y2HH]

poor whites.

 

lack of availability, cost, and misinformation

 

along with a terrible health care system, bad genes, and drugs (meth, etc)

 

But the poor mexicans keep rising...

 

Maybe it has more to do with lucky genetics than anything else...including diets. And I realize you of all people think diet is the cure all for death. It's not.

[iamshack]

There is no country in which more is available to a person than this one. We waste more food in a year than most developed countries consume. What we need to do is stop spreading misinformation. I'm not saying education wouldn't help...but let's not pretend it doesn't exist. Let's not pretend that in some cases it's even necessary. You don't need a PHD to understand that a fatty slab of meat is worse for you than a plate of vegetables. This is excuse making at it's WORST. Most people, INCLUDING poor people, know what's good for them. They simply don't care. And you making excuses for them to not care is actually part of the problem.

I agree.

 

Tell me that someone in some of the more impoverished areas of THE CITY OF CHICAGO cannot buy vegetables instead of McDonald's, and I don't think you could possibly convince me of that.

 

I think it goes back to the earlier point that this is simply not a priority for them. They have more pressing concerns than heart disease in 30 years.

[Y2HH]

I agree.

 

Tell me that someone in some of the more impoverished areas of THE CITY OF CHICAGO cannot buy vegetables instead of McDonald's, and I don't think you could possibly convince me of that.

 

I think it goes back to the earlier point that this is simply not a priority for them. They have more pressing concerns than heart disease in 30 years.

 

Exactly.

 

But we need reasons for why and how. So let's just a) make them up, or b) make excuses as to why.

 

Reddy even just posted charts that destroyed his own argument, where it shows the life expectancy of poor mexicans and poor blacks rising dramatically...of course, he will deny this...but that's what his charts showed.

[Reddy]

I agree.

 

Tell me that someone in some of the more impoverished areas of THE CITY OF CHICAGO cannot buy vegetables instead of McDonald's, and I don't think you could possibly convince me of that.

 

I think it goes back to the earlier point that this is simply not a priority for them. They have more pressing concerns than heart disease in 30 years.

 

AND that McDonalds costs less than vegetables.

Edited January 12, 2013 by Reddy

[Y2HH]

AND that McDonalds costs less than vegetables.

 

Only it doesn't.

[Reddy]

Exactly.

 

But we need reasons for why and how. So let's just a) make them up, or b) make excuses as to why.

 

Reddy even just posted charts that destroyed his own argument, where it shows the life expectancy of poor mexicans and poor blacks rising dramatically...of course, he will deny this...but that's what his charts showed.

 

when did i initially say this what a racial thing? yes i used harlem as an example, but i agree that bumblef*** mississippi is also terrible - and obviously worse according to the charts!

 

Hispanics' diets are actually really high in rice, beans, and REAL foods. It's a food-based culture, and it just so happens that those foods tend to be very healthy.

[Reddy]

Only it doesn't.

only it does. calorie to cost/wise

[Y2HH]

when did i initially say this what a racial thing? yes i used harlem as an example, but i agree that bumblef*** mississippi is also terrible - and obviously worse according to the charts!

 

Hispanics' diets are actually really high in rice, beans, and REAL foods. It's a food-based culture, and it just so happens that those foods tend to be very healthy.

 

Most mexican food is absolutely TERRIBLE for you.

[iamshack]

AND that McDonalds costs less than vegetables.

You, of all people, should know we need to take lifestyle into this equation as well. Why do you suppose hispanics have such a high life expectancy? One guess of mine, anyways, would be that they probably work in jobs that require more labor. Instead of sitting on their asses in offices all day, they are on their feet doing things, lifting things, burning more calories and fat, raising their heart rates, using their muscles, etc. I could be wrong, but that would be a guess.

 

Historically, humans have had much more active lifestyles because they had to. If you burn 3000-5000 calories a day, guess what? You can eat a lot more meat and fat and get away with it than a person who sits in an office all day. Now when you get into the modern diets built on processed foods, this starts to become problematic regardless of your activity levels, but it still certainly helps if your job requires you to live a more active lifestyle.

[Y2HH]

only it does. calorie to cost/wise

 

Only it doesn't.

 

Let's just play your game, because it'll be easy to destroy you.

 

1 big mac meal...let's say medium sized, with tax 5$.

 

For 5$, at any local store, you can buy an entire head of cauliflower for ~99cents. 5 limes for ~50 cents. And have 3.50 left over. I'd quote you more prices, but I haven't been to the store in a few days...but I guarantee I can buy a bunch more.

 

And comparing calorie count is a s*** argument, since vegetables, by their nature, have less calories than fatty meat.

[Y2HH]

You, of all people, should know we need to take lifestyle into this equation as well. Why do you suppose hispanics have such a high life expectancy? One guess of mine, anyways, would be that they probably work in jobs that require more labor. Instead of sitting on their asses in offices all day, they are on their feet doing things, lifting things, burning more calories and fat, raising their heart rates, using their muscles, etc. I could be wrong, but that would be a guess.

 

Historically, humans have had much more active lifestyles because they had to. If you burn 3000-5000 calories a day, guess what? You can eat a lot more meat and fat and get away with it than a person who sits in an office all day. Now when you get into the modern diets built on processed foods, this starts to become problematic regardless of your activity levels, but it still certainly helps if your job requires you to live a more active lifestyle.

 

Hence the idea of the "farmers diet". Meat, milk, eggs, bacon, etc...only they burn 7500 calories working the fields all day long...hence why they're always skinny, despite their completely fatty diets.