Americans Life Expectancy

[Steve9347]

Haha I love when you rage on things I agree with.

 

[Jake]

Totally agree. I'll go the grave saying that Coca-Cola, in and of itself, is completely benign. Like most things I can eat or do, I have to figure out what an appropriate amount is. 64 oz. with my Big Mac every day is probably not the appropriate amount. I like to have a Mexican Coke at a cafe nearby, though. Cane sugar...yum

Edited January 15, 2013 by Jake

[witesoxfan]

This is more of the same thing we've already been talking about it...

 

It's about personal choice and having some self control.

 

I LOVE me a fountain Coke once in a while -- no, not that fake ass diet s***, either -- but a REAL Coke, out of a fountain...not sure why, but I love it out of the fountain. That said...it doesn't mean I have to drink 5 of them a day...or a week...or even in a month.

 

Have some f***ing willpower. Just because some fat retards have none, doesn't mean I should lose the choice of a Coke, or a Big Mac, or whatever the f*** else for that matter. I'm sick of brain dead, no willpower having asshats ruining s*** for everyone else. Stop blaming Coke for making you fat, and stop f***ing drinking it.

 

This is what always gets me. I'm in week 3 of quitting tobacco, and while it's difficult, it gets easier every day. But people wonder why or how you do it, and while I have my coping mechanisms (primarily nicotine gum and lozenges), the fact of the matter is I wanted to stop doing it so I have stopped doing it.

 

You want to stop being fat? Then stop being fat. Eat better and work out. (oh, and Jenks, I wouldn't necessarily qualify 6' 235 as obese. You'd like to be lighter but that's a hell of a lot better than half the country, and you are cognizant of your situation).

You want a better job? Then get a better job. Start working harder at your current job, start networking within the department or location where you'd like to work, and put yourself out there.

You want to live longer? Then live longer. Take care of yourself.

You want to look better? Then look better. Ask people's opinions, dress nicer.

You want to get more involved? Then get more involved.

 

The problem is, America has become a country where you can always pass the buck off to someone else, so a lot of people hold someone else accountable for the mistakes they made. If you want something done, get it done; don't pass it onto John or Jane Doe because they won't do it how you want it to be done. If you screw up, take responsbility; don't pass it off on John or Jane Doe because they had nothing to do with it.

 

I've tried to hold myself to this higher standard for about a year now. I'm not even there yet, but I'm getting there. You feel a lot better about yourself, even when you mess up.

 

EDIT: This is all way easier said than done, but taking personal responsibility for your own actions is a huge start and sets you up to step out of your comfort zone to try and do something that might actually, you know, improve your way of life. It's weird how that works.

Edited January 15, 2013 by witesoxfan

[Jenksismyhero]

This is what always gets me. I'm in week 3 of quitting tobacco, and while it's difficult, it gets easier every day. But people wonder why or how you do it, and while I have my coping mechanisms (primarily nicotine gum and lozenges), the fact of the matter is I wanted to stop doing it so I have stopped doing it.

 

You want to stop being fat? Then stop being fat. Eat better and work out. (oh, and Jenks, I wouldn't necessarily qualify 6' 235 as obese. You'd like to be lighter but that's a hell of a lot better than half the country, and you are cognizant of your situation).

You want a better job? Then get a better job. Start working harder at your current job, start networking within the department or location where you'd like to work, and put yourself out there.

You want to live longer? Then live longer. Take care of yourself.

You want to look better? Then look better. Ask people's opinions, dress nicer.

You want to get more involved? Then get more involved.

 

The problem is, America has become a country where you can always pass the buck off to someone else, so a lot of people hold someone else accountable for the mistakes they made. If you want something done, get it done; don't pass it onto John or Jane Doe because they won't do it how you want it to be done. If you screw up, take responsbility; don't pass it off on John or Jane Doe because they had nothing to do with it.

 

I've tried to hold myself to this higher standard for about a year now. I'm not even there yet, but I'm getting there. You feel a lot better about yourself, even when you mess up.

 

EDIT: This is all way easier said than done, but taking personal responsibility for your own actions is a huge start and sets you up to step out of your comfort zone to try and do something that might actually, you know, improve your way of life. It's weird how that works.

 

The government standards says normal is 150-175 for a 6 foot male. 175-220ish is "overweight" and anything about that is obese (based on a BMI scale). If I was anything under about 205 i'd look sickly on my wide frame.

[witesoxfan]

Having not seen you, I couldn't say for certain, but there are guys I know that are 6'0 and 230 that are not in shape that are not obese. If I weighed 230, I'd have a ginormous gut because of my slight bone structure. That's why those general standards are BS.

 

It'd be better to have an actual physician tell you how you are than to go based off govt standards.

[Reddy]

the gov't has no idea what it's talking about when it comes to food, fitness and health. end of story.

[Y2HH]

The government standards says normal is 150-175 for a 6 foot male. 175-220ish is "overweight" and anything about that is obese (based on a BMI scale). If I was anything under about 205 i'd look sickly on my wide frame.

 

What Reddy said. That BMI scale is bad. It doesn't take into account muscle vs fat ratio. I'm 5'7" and weigh 165...I'm sure that according to the government scale I'm "obese" or near it...because it's wrong. I have a very muscular frame, which isn't taken into account with their height/weight scale.

[StrangeSox]

BMI has some uses at the population level but it's obviously not going to work for each and every individual.

[ptatc]

IIRC this is because of lobbying, e.g. ketchup producers lobby to get ketchup considered a vegetable so that schools will buy more of it.

I think it's more because Illinois politicians are corrupt and idiots. They don't have to take the lobbyists money but they are more than willing.

 

what pizza has ketchup anyway?

[ptatc]

the gov't has no idea what it's talking about when it comes to food, fitness and health. end of story.

Hence the reason government should stay out of most everything.

 

The current BMI calculation need to be updated and is an easy but poor way to determine health. IMHO health really comes down to carviovascular health as if it's in good shape the person will be doing pretty good. The best way to do this is using the katvonen formula of resting heart rate and exercise heart rate.

[StrangeSox]

They do have to take lobbyist money if they want to fund a reelection campaign. The ketchup thing was just another example. The USDA under Reagan proposed counting ketchup as a vegetable

 

Apparently that "pizza is a vegetable" story is from the federal level, and it was mostly over whether or not tomato paste should be called a vegetable and thus subsidized:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkbl...BXgmhN_blog.htm

 

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[ptatc]

They do have to take lobbyist money if they want to fund a reelection campaign. The ketchup thing was just another example. The USDA under Reagan proposed counting ketchup as a vegetable

 

Apparently that "pizza is a vegetable" story is from the federal level, and it was mostly over whether or not tomato paste should be called a vegetable and thus subsidized:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkbl...BXgmhN_blog.htm

 

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I agree that politicians do this do be re-elected thus it makes them corrupt. The whole system is designed this way and needs to change. That article is one view on subsidies (a biased one at that). The federal level started it but not all local governments need to buy into it. Unfortunately Will county does.

[witesoxfan]

Wait, how could tomato paste ever be considered a vegetable? Tomatoes are fruits

[StrangeSox]

http://oxforddictionaries.com/words/is-a-t...-or-a-vegetable

[witesoxfan]

While I understand the logic, I have never considered a tomato to be a fruit while I cooked. Being a part of vegan or vegetarian meal is completely different than anything else too.

 

If ketchup is a vegetable, then I have to assume pickles and olives are too.

[Reddy]

the government, like i said, is retarded.

 

tomatoes are fruits.

[Y2HH]

the government, like i said, is retarded.

 

tomatoes are fruits.

 

The fruit/vegetable thing is quite confusing, and a lot of things people consider fruits aren't and visa versa. For example, a Strawberry is neither a fruit nor a vegetable...but most people call it fruit...to which, who really cares.

[mr_genius]

For example, a Strawberry is neither a fruit nor a vegetable

 

interesting. i did not know that.

[Reddy]

interesting. i did not know that.

yeah i didn't either... so like... what is it?

 

 

[witesoxfan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry

 

Wiki seems to indicate it's a fruit, it's just a different type of fruit

[Reddy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry

 

Wiki seems to indicate it's a fruit, it's just a different type of fruit

yeah... i mean... i figure it's a fruit the same way a platypus is a mammal.

[StrangeSox]

lousy egg-laying bastards

[Y2HH]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry

 

Wiki seems to indicate it's a fruit, it's just a different type of fruit

 

It's an accessory fruit, but it doesn't fit the technical term of fruit, it's a pseudocarp.

Edited January 19, 2013 by Y2HH

[Steve9347]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry

 

Wiki seems to indicate it's a fruit, it's just a different type of fruit

Oh, like KyYle.

[Reddy]

Oh, like KyYle.

how. did that. take. so. long?

 

lol