One in Three Living in Poverty in Illinois

[southsider2k5]

hmm... i didn't realize that stafford loans could cover the ENTIRE cost of schooling. wonder why i didn't do that then... oh wait, because they don't.

 

There are plenty of CC's and small schools that it does.

[Jenksismyhero]

Affluent whites who grew up in college-educated homes and had good schools that had experience helping students navigate the maze of financial aid have advantages over people who didn't grow up in those circumstances.

 

The maze of financial aid? WTF? You download the form, fill out your name and the school you're attending and the school/government does the rest. It's easier than the application process to the school you want to go to. It's not rocket science and any counselor, teacher, computer or phonebook can provide you with the information you need.

 

My parents figured out how to do it on their own. They didn't "grow up in those circumstances" either. That's just another lame excuse.

[southsider2k5]

that original comment was more about the chain, e.g. the person assigned to watch your kid doesn't show up, what do you do? but there's plenty of legitimate reasons someone might not show up e.g. sickness, got some work that day, etc.

 

OMG if only this had ever happened to someone in real life before, then we would all know what to do!

[ptatc]

Affluent whites who grew up in college-educated homes and had good schools that had experience helping students navigate the maze of financial aid have advantages over people who didn't grow up in those circumstances.

Actually, if your parents aren't college educated it a heck of a lot easier to get loans/grants. There are specific grants available for "first time" college students from the family. Same with first time Master's level and even doc students.

[Jenksismyhero]

hm. this is fascinating. and there really isn't a difference from loan to loan right? none of them gouge you with higher interest rates or other fine print right? every loan that's available to the public certainly doesn't try to take advantage of them in any way right?

 

get off your pedestal. you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

LOL, oh that's rich.

[southsider2k5]

Actually, if your parents aren't college educated it a heck of a lot easier to get loans/grants. There are specific grants available for "first time" college students from the family. Same with first time Master's level and even doc students.

 

Not to mention all of the specialized scholarship programs available specifically for non-white, non-male, non-"affluent" students.

[DukeNukeEm]

Duke what do you do for a living?

I have three jobs. One is seasonal. I work in logistics, security and sales.

[ptatc]

hmm... i didn't realize that stafford loans could cover the ENTIRE cost of schooling. wonder why i didn't do that then... oh wait, because they don't.

If you are at the poverty level and are on public aid, you will find the rest of the money for college. The university can get the money for you partially by finding a job for you at the university.

[Jenksismyhero]

hmm... i didn't realize that stafford loans could cover the ENTIRE cost of schooling. wonder why i didn't do that then... oh wait, because they don't.

 

Dude, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. None. For the people we're talking about - who won't be going to schools costing 50k/year - they can borrow as much money as they want to cover everything - tuition, books, room and board, etc.

 

I did this as a poor (but white and advantaged!) law student.

[Jenksismyhero]

If you are at the poverty level and are on public aid, you will find the rest of the money for college. The university can get the money for you partially by finding a job for you at the university.

 

Yep, I did that too - a work study program. I washed dishes for 2 semesters (and then moved onto a job at the library). I didn't get a penny out of it in my pocket. It went straight to my tuition.

 

 

[Jenksismyhero]

Not to mention all of the specialized scholarship programs available specifically for non-white, non-male, non-"affluent" students.

 

BUT THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THOSE PROGRAMS AND SOCIETY ACTIVELY PREVENTS THOSE PEOPLE FROM LEARNING ABOUT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ptatc]

that original comment was more about the chain, e.g. the person assigned to watch your kid doesn't show up, what do you do? but there's plenty of legitimate reasons someone might not show up e.g. sickness, got some work that day, etc.

Just like most other employment, if it's a legitimate reason, you don't get paid and there are other people working there that need to take up the slack.

[StrangeSox]

http://www.recruiter.com/i/study-finds-emp...-fill-key-jobs/

You're not going to learn IT, skilled trades or engineering by working public service menial labor jobs.

[DukeNukeEm]

You're not going to learn IT, skilled trades or engineering by working public service menial labor jobs.

So government workers getting paid the ludicrous amounts that they do have the added benefit of having no real skill. Great, I'm loving this more and more.

[ptatc]

Yep, I did that too - a work study program. I washed dishes for 2 semesters (and then moved onto a job at the library). I didn't get a penny out of it in my pocket. It went straight to my tuition.

That is really similar to mine. I started in the cafeteria, then to the library then because of my major, I moved to student athletic trainer for the sports teams.

[StrangeSox]

BUT THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THOSE PROGRAMS

 

they don't, which makes it hard to apply for them!

 

AND SOCIETY ACTIVELY PREVENTS THOSE PEOPLE FROM LEARNING ABOUT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

society doesn't, but it doesn't do a lot to help educate them, either.

[StrangeSox]

So government workers getting paid the ludicrous amounts that they do have the added benefit of having no real skill. Great, I'm loving this more and more.

 

No, try to follow along.

[StrangeSox]

Just like most other employment, if it's a legitimate reason, you don't get paid and there are other people working there that need to take up the slack.

 

See, that's the opposite of a safety net program. Can't work that day? Sorry, you don't eat. No, I categorically reject that.

[ptatc]

So government workers getting paid the ludicrous amounts that they do have the added benefit of having no real skill. Great, I'm loving this more and more.

I'm starting to feel self-conscious about myself the more you say that first part. but since I really don't fall into the second category, I guess I feel better. Not all of us who work for the government get paid alot and they are trying to take our pensions (the only benefit to the job) away.

[DukeNukeEm]

No, try to follow along.

I am.

 

You're saying having people do jobs that require no skills gives them no opportunity to learn a skill. That's your justification for not making them work those jobs to get their handouts. However we have lots of people already working these same unskilled jobs making quite a bit of money.

 

So if you dont have/dont want to learn a skill you've got two options: Welfare or government work. How about we combine both of those groups and motivate the leftovers to get a real job.

[ptatc]

See, that's the opposite of a safety net program. Can't work that day? Sorry, you don't eat. No, I categorically reject that.

I disagree. That is the what it is for most labor employment. If only miss one or two days for legitimate reasons (sickness, medical) it will not effect your ability to eat that day. Let's not get melodramatic.

[StrangeSox]

Government workers are generally paid less than their private-sector colleagues. Duke doesn't know what he's talking about.

[ptatc]

they don't, which makes it hard to apply for them!

 

 

 

society doesn't, but it doesn't do a lot to help educate them, either.

This could be part of the program . One day a wek as work starts there is an information session on these types of things. Even in the current system. Maybe they should make it mandatory to go to an information session on this type of thing.

[DukeNukeEm]

I'm starting to feel self-conscious about myself the more you say that first part. but since I really don't fall into the second category, I guess I feel better. Not all of us who work for the government get paid alot and they are trying to take our pensions (the only benefit to the job) away.

What do you do for the government?

 

 

Government workers are generally paid less than their private-sector colleagues. Duke doesn't know what he's talking about.

Because outside a few government jobs, which I understand need to be filled because the state does have some functions it has to attend to, they could never cut it in the private world.

 

EDIT- Actually, I doubt the veracity of what you're saying. I dont usually ask for proof of anything (because its a waste of time), but I wonder.

Edited January 17, 2013 by DukeNukeEm

[ptatc]

Government workers are generally paid less than their private-sector colleagues. Duke doesn't know what he's talking about.

I wouldn't go that far. Gernally, yes. However, there are some (politicians) that I may disagree with.