Jenksismyhero Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 06:07 PM) Nice backpedal. What bar am I setting? There's been all this talk about Zook around here. Same thing happened in his first 2 years. Were you calling for his firing then too? Or did you want to give him a chance to get his systems put in place and some consistency going? The point is, coaches have turned things around in year 3. Whether or not Beckman does that, I don't know. That being f***ing terrible your first two season is acceptable. I don't find that acceptable when you can see that the future doesn't really look any brighter. And no, people weren't clamoring for Zook to be fired because everyone understand we had a roster full of JV players (MUCH worse than what Beckman inherited) AND he IMMEDIATELY began recruiting not only D1 one players, but FIVE STAR D1 players. No one was ever thrilled with his coaching. EVERYONE was thrilled with his recruiting ability. And most fans expected that if he couldn't turn the coaching around we should fire him while we still had good players to get a coach in who could coach them up. Thank Guenther for f***ing that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Dec 13, 2013 -> 10:26 AM) Going away from the Illinois discussion for a second... I'll go on record and say that I completely think Winston raped the victim and I can't believe he wasn't charged with anything. This whole thing stinks. I feel like I'm watching a future 30 for 30 episode while it's happening. How FSU and the authorities were able to cover up and keep their Heisman QB eligible so they could go on to win a national championship. Between the awkward, laughing press conference, the piece Rock put in here, and now listening to "the victim's" attorney's press conference - there's way too much smoke here. I can't help but feel that this is a giant cover-up. This went away way too quickly, and there's way too many inconsistencies and oddities here. The problem with this is that it's so UNLIKE Jameis Winston. Now, obviously, we don't know the guy personally, but from all accounts (recruiting stories, HS and FSU coaches, teammates, media members) pretty much anyone who has ever come in contact with JW lauds how mature he is, how he's a great guy, a great leader, always laughing and joking, and has great character. That doesn't mean he can't make a stupid mistake, but I have a hard time believing it. Plus, the timing of when this went public is ridiculously suspect, and the attorney of the accuser today just threw out accusation after accusation about things being tampered with, deleted, who was or was not there, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 13, 2013 -> 03:09 PM) The problem with this is that it's so UNLIKE Jameis Winston. Now, obviously, we don't know the guy personally, but from all accounts (recruiting stories, HS and FSU coaches, teammates, media members) pretty much anyone who has ever come in contact with JW lauds how mature he is, how he's a great guy, a great leader, always laughing and joking, and has great character. That doesn't mean he can't make a stupid mistake, but I have a hard time believing it. Plus, the timing of when this went public is ridiculously suspect, and the attorney of the accuser today just threw out accusation after accusation about things being tampered with, deleted, who was or was not there, etc. His DNA on her, blood in her panties, and her claim that it was rape should have been enough for a charge. Let a grand jury decide. The prosecutor took the law in his hands here and she unfortunately has no recourse other than a civil action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 13, 2013 -> 03:09 PM) The problem with this is that it's so UNLIKE Jameis Winston. Now, obviously, we don't know the guy personally, but from all accounts (recruiting stories, HS and FSU coaches, teammates, media members) pretty much anyone who has ever come in contact with JW lauds how mature he is, how he's a great guy, a great leader, always laughing and joking, and has great character. That doesn't mean he can't make a stupid mistake, but I have a hard time believing it. Plus, the timing of when this went public is ridiculously suspect, and the attorney of the accuser today just threw out accusation after accusation about things being tampered with, deleted, who was or was not there, etc. The only reason it took so long to go public was the police and the DA's office. The police kept it under wraps for months without questioning or turning over evidence. THATS suspect. There are several people who are great leaders that are real pieces of s***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 13, 2013 -> 04:13 PM) His DNA on her, blood in her panties, and her claim that it was rape should have been enough for a charge. Let a grand jury decide. The prosecutor took the law in his hands here and she unfortunately has no recourse other than a civil action. I don't think they ever said anything about blood in her panties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 13, 2013 -> 03:16 PM) I don't think they ever said anything about blood in her panties. It was referenced in that deadspin article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) I feel like rape charges are brought pretty often with just a woman's word. I could be wrong, but that's why I was surprised more wasnt done with Winston. They seem to have that, and a lot more on him. Edited December 13, 2013 by Buehrle>Wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I actually had a friend who dealt with rape accusations in college. He met a drunk chick at a party and she went home with him (totally consentual), but she was incredibly drunk. So was he. They hooked up, she left, and she texted him the next day basically saying "did you have sex with me last night?" and he said "yes" and she said "You took advantage of me, I was way too drunk." Nothing ever arose from it, but moral of the story, he was a lot more cautious about picking chicks up when he went out partying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 13, 2013 -> 03:09 PM) The problem with this is that it's so UNLIKE Jameis Winston. Now, obviously, we don't know the guy personally, but from all accounts (recruiting stories, HS and FSU coaches, teammates, media members) pretty much anyone who has ever come in contact with JW lauds how mature he is, how he's a great guy, a great leader, always laughing and joking, and has great character. That doesn't mean he can't make a stupid mistake, but I have a hard time believing it. Plus, the timing of when this went public is ridiculously suspect, and the attorney of the accuser today just threw out accusation after accusation about things being tampered with, deleted, who was or was not there, etc. It's really hard to say it's UNLIKE any college football player on a big campus and football is king of the town. There could have been drugs or alcohol involved o on his end too, but it's not hard whatsoever to believe he raped her. It's really not. You can be the greatest guy in public and in front of a camera and still rape someone. Regardless, I'm trying to look at what facts or at least information that is out there, and there's way too much smoke here. Rock already covered why it took so long to go public. And what difference does it make that the attorney threw stuff out today, as opposed to some other day? It's not like this is 10 years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 13, 2013 -> 01:48 PM) That being f***ing terrible your first two season is acceptable. I don't find that acceptable when you can see that the future doesn't really look any brighter. And no, people weren't clamoring for Zook to be fired because everyone understand we had a roster full of JV players (MUCH worse than what Beckman inherited) AND he IMMEDIATELY began recruiting not only D1 one players, but FIVE STAR D1 players. No one was ever thrilled with his coaching. EVERYONE was thrilled with his recruiting ability. And most fans expected that if he couldn't turn the coaching around we should fire him while we still had good players to get a coach in who could coach them up. Thank Guenther for f***ing that up. Everyone keeps putting words in my mouth and making s*** up. Tell me where being terrible is acceptable - because I can see the rationale of him getting a 3rd year? Nice leap. We've discussed how as long as he was here for year 2, you're not firing him for year 1. You're judging your post-year 2 decision on year 2. Considering what we saw in year 2, it's really not hard to comprehend why he has year 3. I can certainly see the future being brighter next year. Will it for sure? We'll wait to find out. I'll hope like hell it turns around next year. Not because I give a s*** if Beckman is the coach or not (I've said multiple times I don't think he's the answer), but because it'd be better for the program if I'm wrong and it turns around quicker next year. Most of you won't admit it, but deep down you hope it's a f***ing tire fire next year so you can just jump on here and say haha told you so Beckman sucks you shouldn't have supported him, etc. You wouldn't know what the f*** to do if they actually won 6 games or looked competent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 13, 2013 -> 10:09 PM) The problem with this is that it's so UNLIKE Jameis Winston. Now, obviously, we don't know the guy personally, but from all accounts (recruiting stories, HS and FSU coaches, teammates, media members) pretty much anyone who has ever come in contact with JW lauds how mature he is, how he's a great guy, a great leader, always laughing and joking, and has great character. That doesn't mean he can't make a stupid mistake, but I have a hard time believing it. Plus, the timing of when this went public is ridiculously suspect, and the attorney of the accuser today just threw out accusation after accusation about things being tampered with, deleted, who was or was not there, etc. LololololololololololololololoLololololllololololooooololohahahahahahaaahahaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 13, 2013 -> 03:09 PM) The problem with this is that it's so UNLIKE Jameis Winston. Now, obviously, we don't know the guy personally, but from all accounts (recruiting stories, HS and FSU coaches, teammates, media members) pretty much anyone who has ever come in contact with JW lauds how mature he is, how he's a great guy, a great leader, always laughing and joking, and has great character. That doesn't mean he can't make a stupid mistake, but I have a hard time believing it. Plus, the timing of when this went public is ridiculously suspect, and the attorney of the accuser today just threw out accusation after accusation about things being tampered with, deleted, who was or was not there, etc. LOL. Do you work for the FSU media department? It sure sounds like it. I didn't realize laughter and jokes were the key to determining who is capable of sexual assault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Looking at some of the Heisman odds. I took the field vs Winston to win the Heisman. $10 to win $3,000. I would never have done that with an actual $10 bill in my hands but I said why not since its in an account. I probably should've done $5 for $1500. Manziel to finish in the top 4 at +1200. Manziel to finish in top 5 is +280. Lynch not to finish in the top 4 is +475. If I had to guess, it'll be Winston, the two running backs and the either AJ/Lynch/Manziel. I'd like to take Manziel to finish in top 4 but I'm sure McCarron is getting a lot of career votes. Maybe Lynch not to finish in the top 4? I'm sure a lot of voters got turned off after the conference title game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 1. Winston 2. Mason 3. Williams 4. Lynch 5. Manziel 6. McCarron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Where do you get those odds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Winston is making me want to root for an SEC team in the championship game, and I didn't think that was possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 14, 2013 -> 09:57 AM) Winston is making me want to root for an SEC team in the championship game, and I didn't think that was possible. So many things that don't even need to be said in response to this statement, smh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Mason is very deserving of the Heisman based on his numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 14, 2013 -> 10:34 AM) Where do you get those odds 5dimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Bovada isn't taking odds on who will win unfortunately. Mack Brown resigned from Texas. He probably didn't screw them over, but in the eyes of UT fans, he just tarnished his whole legacy by simply not resigning 7 days earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Bovada isn't taking odds on who will win unfortunately. Mack Brown resigned from Texas. He probably didn't screw them over, but in the eyes of UT fans, he just tarnished his whole legacy by simply not resigning 7 days earlier. The timing of Mack Brown's resignation didn't have one bit of impact on getting Saban. If UT could have gotten Saban, they would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Try telling them that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Winstons speech all about the incident. How dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 14, 2013 -> 08:06 PM) Winstons speech all about the incident. How dumb. That was the last thing he needed to be talking about right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Aj McCarron in second shows how laughable the voting is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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