Official 2013-2014 NCAA Football Thread

[Buehrle>Wood]

Lol Wisconsin screw job of the century

[Soxfest]

Badgers just got f***ed at end of Arizona St game. Arizona St players laying on the ball ref cannot spot ball clock runs out no call.

Edited September 15, 2013 by Soxfest

[Kyyle23]

Wow, clusterf*** ending to the Wisky-ASU game. College refs clown college

[IlliniKrush]

What the hell...wow

[gatnom]

Let's not be silly. Browns very talented. Monheim has proven he's a bt linebacker. Kynard has some talent. Bentley too but he's young. Bates shows flashes.

 

The defense is so young and inexperienced. Not a ton you can do about that right now except play. They are going to give up a lot of yards this year.

 

Lost to a better, ranked team. Looked respectable and fought. Not sure what you expected.

 

This post is pretty much on the money. Not much you can do when a good 2/3 of your defense is composed of freshmen, sophomores, and JUCO transfers.

 

 

[danman31]

I see most people are taking the easy way out by blaming the refs in the Wisconsin game, but the umpire who failed to be assertive in getting the ball is only a fraction of the problem. To me, it starts with the idiotic decision to center the ball with 18 seconds left. It's a 30-yard FG. If your kicker (who is a righty that would be kicking from the right hash) can't make a 30-yard FG because it's on a hash he's not worth his scholarship. The risk/reward of centering it doesn't justify doing it. Your kicker should be a 90+% pick to make either kick. That's no reward. The risk is what we saw. s*** happens in college football regarding clock management. Centering it there was like taking a heavy favorite on the money line for a dollar to win 5 cents. What's the point.

 

Four things went wrong for Wisky on that play. 1. The stupid decision as I explained. 2. The QB placing the ball down instead of handing the ball to a ref, failing to rush his team to set or the spike and arguing with the ref. 3. The ASU DL falling on the ball. 4. The ref failing to do anything about it. The chain reaction was started by Wisconsin. As far as I'm concerned, that failure was on Wisconsin, pun intended. Badgers got what they deserved.

[Brian]

I only saw the highlight so didn't get the whole story, but the QB didn't even take a knee. He just set the ball down so I don't really blame the ASU kid for jumping on it. It seemed like a fumble anyway.

 

But if you are keeping possession with Wisc, they shouldve put time on the clock or stopped it to get the kid off.

[RockRaines]

I only saw the highlight so didn't get the whole story, but the QB didn't even take a knee. He just set the ball down so I don't really blame the ASU kid for jumping on it. It seemed like a fumble anyway.

 

But if you are keeping possession with Wisc, they shouldve put time on the clock or stopped it to get the kid off.

He took a knee there are pictures of it all over the Internet.

 

Refs took their win after earlier giving Michigan one. I would have rather had it reversed.

[lord chas]

He took a knee there are pictures of it all over the Internet.

 

Refs took their win after earlier giving Michigan one. I would have rather had it reversed.

What down was it when Stave took a knee?

[Brian]

He took a knee there are pictures of it all over the Internet.

 

Refs took their win after earlier giving Michigan one. I would have rather had it reversed.

 

I saw the knee in another highlight. The back ref shouldve intervened since the other refs were blocked off.

 

And give me a break about Michigan getting a win from he refs.

[RockRaines]

I saw the knee in another highlight. The back ref shouldve intervened since the other refs were blocked off.

 

And give me a break about Michigan getting a win from he refs.

You know you did. A win is a win but that was pure home cooking.

[LittleHurt05]

I see most people are taking the easy way out by blaming the refs in the Wisconsin game, but the umpire who failed to be assertive in getting the ball is only a fraction of the problem. To me, it starts with the idiotic decision to center the ball with 18 seconds left. It's a 30-yard FG. If your kicker (who is a righty that would be kicking from the right hash) can't make a 30-yard FG because it's on a hash he's not worth his scholarship. The risk/reward of centering it doesn't justify doing it. Your kicker should be a 90+% pick to make either kick. That's no reward. The risk is what we saw. s*** happens in college football regarding clock management. Centering it there was like taking a heavy favorite on the money line for a dollar to win 5 cents. What's the point.

 

Four things went wrong for Wisky on that play. 1. The stupid decision as I explained. 2. The QB placing the ball down instead of handing the ball to a ref, failing to rush his team to set or the spike and arguing with the ref. 3. The ASU DL falling on the ball. 4. The ref failing to do anything about it. The chain reaction was started by Wisconsin. As far as I'm concerned, that failure was on Wisconsin, pun intended. Badgers got what they deserved.

 

Agreed. Wisconsin has no one to blame but themselves.

[IlliniKrush]

He took a knee there are pictures of it all over the Internet.

 

Refs took their win after earlier giving Michigan one. I would have rather had it reversed.

Please post...only decent angle looks like he failed while running into his lineman, then just places the ball on the ground.

 

Either way it was a stupid series of events by Wisconsin.

Edited September 15, 2013 by IlliniKrush

[Soxbadger]

It was first down.

 

And I agree that they could have just kicked with 19 seconds left, but that doesnt excuse the refs from completely blowing the play. Even if they thought it was a fumble, that means that the play is blown dead and the clock is stopped...

 

There is just no excuse. The refs missed a blatant penalty and stopped Stave from snapping the ball. Your basically arguing that Wisconsin should expect that the refs will not call the game correctly. You cant do that. The call by the coach was correct. You have 19 seconds, you kneel the ball and then spike it so that its the last play of the game.

 

Had Wisconsin kicked the fg and ASU returned the ensuing kick off, people would have asked, why didnt wisconsin run the clock out for the final play?

 

One of the few times Ive ever witnessed refs legitimately ruining a game.

[Soxbadger]

Here is a clear picture

 

 

Guess that wasnt clear enough to the refs last night.

Edited September 15, 2013 by Soxbadger

[zenryan]

And give me a break about Michigan getting a win from he refs.

 

 

Michigan had a player hurt in the final minute and the refs started the clock on the ready for play signal. The clock should have started on the snap. The bogus spotting of the ball inside the 1. It was a first down and at the very least it was a review that had no evidence to move the ball back.

 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2013 by zenryan

[RockRaines]

That's the angle I saw as well.

 

PAC-12 refs. What do you expect.

[Soxbadger]

The worst part is that they play could have easily been fixed had they just said "The previous play is under review". Because if the refs thought it was a fumble, its a turnover to be reviewed. They then could have put time back on the clock.

 

Id be fine never playing a PAC 10 game again. I know Wisconsin is starting to schedule SEC instead.

[LittleHurt05]

Kneeling the ball, then spiking it to set up a field goal is one of the dumbest decisions I have ever seen. So much more can and will go wrong. Good start for the new coach.

[Soxbadger]

No thats what NFL teams and real coaches do all the time.

 

lol

 

What can go wrong if the refs call the play correctly?

 

The centering of the ball takes 2-3 seconds, that leaves 15 seconds on the clock. You line up, you let the clock go down to 5 seconds and you spike it.

 

What exactly can go wrong? The refs can completely change the rules of college football so you lose? That can happen on any play....

 

If Wisconsin misses the fg or the asu runs back the kick for a td, everyone is saying "Why didnt you wear the clock down and make it the last play of the game."

 

You cant answer:

 

"Oh well I had a dream like Final Destination and I knew that the refs were going to screw us."

 

(edit)

 

And I know that s*** happens, but I really think people blaming Andersen are way off base here. He did his job. He was putting Wisconsin in the best position to win. The refs f***ed up. You cant expect that he is going to predict that. Sometimes you do everything right and lose.

 

Hes 100x better than Bielema, its just unfortunate for the Wisconsin players to lose like that. They deserved better.

Edited September 15, 2013 by Soxbadger

[RockRaines]

It was pretty stupid, however with competent officiating its not an issue.

[LittleHurt05]

It was pretty stupid, however with competent officiating its not an issue.

 

With competent coaching, it doesn't happen either.

[danman31]

Badger is obviously biased towards his own school so he is defending the decision because he has to, but it's still the wrong one. The plan was never to run the clock down. The only reason they ran more plays was to center it. They weren't going to kill all the clock either way. The QB messed up, but the fact that he actually took a knee doesn't matter. That part was called correctly because the clock ran. Wisconsin's QB caused the confusion and never rushed his team to get set. He needed to hand the ball to the official. It goes back to risk/reward. There was no reward for what Wisconsin did and the correct team won that game.

[IlliniKrush]

No thats what NFL teams and real coaches do all the time.

 

lol

 

What can go wrong if the refs call the play correctly?

 

The centering of the ball takes 2-3 seconds, that leaves 15 seconds on the clock. You line up, you let the clock go down to 5 seconds and you spike it.

 

What exactly can go wrong? The refs can completely change the rules of college football so you lose? That can happen on any play....

 

If Wisconsin misses the fg or the asu runs back the kick for a td, everyone is saying "Why didnt you wear the clock down and make it the last play of the game."

 

You cant answer:

 

"Oh well I had a dream like Final Destination and I knew that the refs were going to screw us."

 

(edit)

 

And I know that s*** happens, but I really think people blaming Andersen are way off base here. He did his job. He was putting Wisconsin in the best position to win. The refs f***ed up. You cant expect that he is going to predict that. Sometimes you do everything right and lose.

 

Hes 100x better than Bielema, its just unfortunate for the Wisconsin players to lose like that. They deserved better.

Yeah...when they have a timeout.

[cabiness42]

I think its more interesting that this year people are attacking the media and saying kids should be getting paid when last year trading your possessions for tats and money were the worst thing any kid could every do.

 

FYI: I know the guy who wrote both the Ohio State and Oklahoma State stories. He was my editor when I worked for my college newspaper.