Official 2013-2014 NCAA Football Thread

[Soxbadger]

http://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/...rences-and-scho

 

The SEC averaged 75,538 per game to lead all conferences. The Big Ten (70,040), Big 12 (59,004), Pac-12 (53,679) and Atlantic Coast (49,910) rounded out the top five in conference attendance.

 

http://www.datafy.me/analysis/college-football-attendance/

 

Sadly, only U of L averaged 50k. That means the 3 schools chosen by the ACC will arguably have a net decrease on average attendance. Youll also notice that Cuse and Pitt have been trending down.

 

And if Pitt is just as good as anyone in the ACC, the ACC is in real trouble as Pitt shoudlnt be in the top half of any reasonable conference.

[southsider2k5]

I'll let it go when I'm ready to let it go.

 

Seeing as you are just back from suspension for the same topic, I would say it is a good idea to let it go.

[cabiness42]

http://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/...rences-and-scho

 

The SEC averaged 75,538 per game to lead all conferences. The Big Ten (70,040), Big 12 (59,004), Pac-12 (53,679) and Atlantic Coast (49,910) rounded out the top five in conference attendance.

 

http://www.datafy.me/analysis/college-football-attendance/

 

Sadly, only U of L averaged 50k. That means the 3 schools chosen by the ACC will arguably have a net decrease on average attendance. Youll also notice that Cuse and Pitt have been trending down.

 

And if Pitt is just as good as anyone in the ACC, the ACC is in real trouble as Pitt shoudlnt be in the top half of any reasonable conference.

 

U of L has a small stadium. 50k per game represents 91% capacity. Also, ticket sales are a pretty small chunk of football revenue. In any case, all three schools will probably see an increase in attendance now that they are replacing South Florida, Rutgers, and Cincinnati with FSU, Clemson, and BC on their schedules.

 

[cabiness42]

Seeing as you are just back from suspension for the same topic, I would say it is a good idea to let it go.

 

I see, so it's OK to be anti-ND on this board but not pro-ND. Got it.

 

Also, it's very nice of you to publicly discuss a suspension. First-class act right there.

Edited February 19, 2013 by HickoryHuskers

[southsider2k5]

I see, so it's OK to be anti-ND on this board but not pro-ND. Got it.

 

Also, it's very nice of you to publicly discuss a suspension. First-class act right there.

 

The problem is that it isn't all right to jump back into the same thing, especially after you were just asked not to do it by an admin.

[cabiness42]

The problem is that it isn't all right to jump back into the same thing, especially after you were just asked not to do it by an admin.

 

Yep, it isn't all right to respond to people saying all kinds of nasty things about my alma mater, even though it's OK to say all those things in the first place. Got it.

 

[Soxbadger]

U of L has a small stadium. 50k per game represents 91% capacity. Also, ticket sales are a pretty small chunk of football revenue. In any case, all three schools will probably see an increase in attendance now that they are replacing South Florida, Rutgers, and Cincinnati with FSU, Clemson, and BC on their schedules.

 

Ticket sales are an indication of the strength of the program, which is an indirect indication of the value of the team.

 

Its not coincidence that the 2 most profitable conferences are the 2 conferences with the highest attendance.

 

The Big10 averages 20k more per game than the ACC. Lets say each team has 6 home games, total 72 home games for Big10 teams.

 

72x 20,000 = 1,440,400

 

Now even if tickets are only $20 per person, thats $28.8 mil more in attendance revenue. That is not counting things like personal seat fees, donor fees, parking fees, concessions etc.

 

The ACC is going to keep struggling to keep up with the Big10 and SEC. There just is no way around it. Not even ND as a full member would change that.

[southsider2k5]

Yep, it isn't all right to respond to people saying all kinds of nasty things about my alma mater, even though it's OK to say all those things in the first place. Got it.

 

You are looking to revive a fight from five weeks ago. What part of that seems OK?

[cabiness42]

Ticket sales are an indication of the strength of the program, which is an indirect indication of the value of the team.

 

Its not coincidence that the 2 most profitable conferences are the 2 conferences with the highest attendance.

 

The Big10 averages 20k more per game than the ACC. Lets say each team has 6 home games, total 72 home games for Big10 teams.

 

72x 20,000 = 1,440,400

 

Now even if tickets are only $20 per person, thats $28.8 mil more in attendance revenue. That is not counting things like personal seat fees, donor fees, parking fees, concessions etc.

 

The ACC is going to keep struggling to keep up with the Big10 and SEC. There just is no way around it. Not even ND as a full member would change that.

 

I don't think keeping up with the Big10 and SEC is the ACC's goal. The other two are always going to be the strongest football conferences. The ACC is making sure they keep themselves as strong as they can, which is what they've done in getting Pitt, Syr, Lou, and ND. It's probably enough to keep FSU, Clemson and UNC in the conference.

[cabiness42]

You are looking to revive a fight from five weeks ago. What part of that seems OK?

 

People bring up old stuff all the time. But oh, they weren't doing it to defend something that you don't like. I forgot that part.

[Kyyle23]

People bring up old stuff all the time. But oh, they weren't doing it to defend something that you don't like. I forgot that part.

 

The thing is, you were reviving a fight against a banned member. SO is gone, if your beef is with him then let it go

[cabiness42]

The thing is, you were reviving a fight against a banned member. SO is gone, if your beef is with him then let it go

 

1) Didn't know SO was banned when I made that post

2) There was a post to somebody else besides SO, who, to my knowledge, is not banned.

[Soxbadger]

Hickory,

 

The problem is 5 is to many, 4 is just right. You have 5 conferences, SEC, Big12, ACC, Pac and Big. If you have a 4 team playoff, 1 of them is left out. Thus you have to kill 1.

 

I just cant see all 5 conferences lasting the next 10 years, it just doesnt make much sense.

[cabiness42]

Hickory,

 

The problem is 5 is to many, 4 is just right. You have 5 conferences, SEC, Big12, ACC, Pac and Big. If you have a 4 team playoff, 1 of them is left out. Thus you have to kill 1.

 

I just cant see all 5 conferences lasting the next 10 years, it just doesnt make much sense.

 

I don't think the number of teams in the playoff is going to have an effect on the number of conferences. If you use 2012 as an example, there would have only been 2 conferences represented in the 4 team playoff. The SEC is going to get 2 teams in the playoff more years than not, so even if you condense down to four conferences there is still at least one left out.

 

[southsider2k5]

1) Didn't know SO was banned when I made that post

2) There was a post to somebody else besides SO, who, to my knowledge, is not banned.

 

At the end of the day, it has nothing to do with ND in the big picture. It has to do with a problem that was long since dealt with, that you are looking to revive, despite being told not to look for another fight. What happens next is up to you.

[cabiness42]

At the end of the day, it has nothing to do with ND in the big picture.

 

You can keep saying that all you want. Doesn't make it true.

[southsider2k5]

You can keep saying that all you want. Doesn't make it true.

 

So can you.

[cabiness42]

So can you.

 

OK, well now I have an admin's permission to say all I want. That's a relief.

[Soxbadger]

I don't think the number of teams in the playoff is going to have an effect on the number of conferences. If you use 2012 as an example, there would have only been 2 conferences represented in the 4 team playoff. The SEC is going to get 2 teams in the playoff more years than not, so even if you condense down to four conferences there is still at least one left out.

 

Even if this is the case, the SEC and the Big10 dont want to split money 5 ways when they can split it 4 ways. The way the current playoff works the Big10 will get the same amount of playoff money whether they send 2 teams or 0 teams.

 

There just is no reason to have a 5th and unnecessary conference. Even the SEC websites (Mr SEC) are concluding that the Big10 has the best leverage to drive the ship.

 

http://www.mrsec.com/2013/02/which-confere...inition-of-win/

 

Just my opinion here, but I would be surprised if the Big XII or SEC or anyone else actually cut a deal with the ACC. If they wanted to save that league and slow expansion they could, but no one I've spoken to believes that's actually their desire now that the Big Ten is back on the warpath.

 

 

 

John Swofford reached out to the Big XII, to my understanding. Not the other way around.

 

If that comment is true, its just a countdown until the ACC falls.

[cabiness42]

Even if this is the case, the SEC and the Big10 dont want to split money 5 ways when they can split it 4 ways. The way the current playoff works the Big10 will get the same amount of playoff money whether they send 2 teams or 0 teams.

 

There just is no reason to have a 5th and unnecessary conference. Even the SEC websites (Mr SEC) are concluding that the Big10 has the best leverage to drive the ship.

 

http://www.mrsec.com/2013/02/which-confere...inition-of-win/

 

 

 

If that comment is true, its just a countdown until the ACC falls.

 

Again, you are comparing the ACC to the Big 10 and SEC. Nobody is disputing that those two conferences hold all the cards. What I'm saying is that the ACC has put themselves in a better position to compete with the Big 12 by getting Louisville and ND. Remember ND turned down a similar offer from the Big 12 before taking one from the ACC. The ACC has a lot of big markets in the Northease. The Big 12 has Texas and a bunch of states nobody cares about.

[RockRaines]

So outside of all the crap above. The Big Ten invited UNC, UVA and GT. Not bad at all academically or athletically.

[Soxbadger]

You keep saying ND is in the ACC, but ND is not. If ND joins the ACC then we would be having a completely different discussion. But the fact that ND is not fully in, should be proof of how weak the conference is.

 

You can say the Big 12 is nothing, but currently the Big 12 has Oklahoma and Texas, which are 2 pretty powerful football schools. Not to mention that Texas has a population that is larger than many states.

[cabiness42]

You keep saying ND is in the ACC, but ND is not. If ND joins the ACC then we would be having a completely different discussion. But the fact that ND is not fully in, should be proof of how weak the conference is.

 

You can say the Big 12 is nothing, but currently the Big 12 has Oklahoma and Texas, which are 2 pretty powerful football schools. Not to mention that Texas has a population that is larger than many states.

 

ND has given the ACC five guaranteed games a year, which is something very tangible to the ACC schools. That means they get a guaranteed home-and-home series with ND a minimum of two out of every ten years, and the bigger names (FSU, Clem, GT, UNC) probably get them more often than that.

 

Not doubting how big Texas is, but while Oklahoma is very good in football, they are not a ratings draw.

 

[Soxbadger]

So outside of all the crap above. The Big Ten invited UNC, UVA and GT. Not bad at all academically or athletically.

 

Have you seen this confirmed anywhere? its hard to tell if its a rumor or true. The guy from 24/7 Maryland has been legit before, but some of the fake guys are running this too so hard to tell.

 

[Soxbadger]

ND has given the ACC five guaranteed games a year, which is something very tangible to the ACC schools. That means they get a guaranteed home-and-home series with ND a minimum of two out of every ten years, and the bigger names (FSU, Clem, GT, UNC) probably get them more often than that.

 

Not doubting how big Texas is, but while Oklahoma is very good in football, they are not a ratings draw.

 

Notre Dame has averaged playing roughly 3 big 10 schools a year. So the ACC gets 2 more games, and had to give ND a shot at the ACC bowl bid.

 

That is called trade rape.