ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 10:19 AM) You don't have a f***ing clue what you're talking about. ND beat Wake Forest 38-0 and pulled most of their starters in the 3rd quarter. Also, ND's schedule matched up with anybody's. Final BCS Rankings: Stanford 6, Oklahoma 11, Michigan 18. So he was wrong with Wake Forest. Feel free to substitute barely beating Purdue, BYU or Pitt (in 3OT with every possible break) instead. They had a really good win, at home, versus Stanford, and a good win @ Oklahoma and that's about it. Their schedule wasn't cake, but it was far from difficult.* *Through no fault of their own, the perennially strong teams that they regularly schedule just happened to not be very good last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 04:19 PM) Hopefully that is put in to place very quickly after the 4 team playoff. But I have a feeling they will drag their feet I DO get the logistical difficulties for fans and students. But the TV revenue would have to justify that. How much would NBC sports pay to get rights to that? 2 gazillion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 10:25 AM) The problem is that the bowls make so much money for people that you can't just get rid of them or downgrade them. The biggest obstacle is keeping all those bowl execs happy. As someone previously mentioned, one major problem is the bowl affiliations and conference tie-ins. If NIU goes undefeated they should be able to play a New Years game against a solid opponent ranked in the 10-15 range. Instead, they're gonna have to play some 7-5 team from a barely FBS conference on December 20th or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 04:19 PM) You don't have a f***ing clue what you're talking about. ND beat Wake Forest 38-0 and pulled most of their starters in the 3rd quarter. Also, ND's schedule matched up with anybody's. Final BCS Rankings: Stanford 6, Oklahoma 11, Michigan 18. blah blah blah blah blah blah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 14, 2013 Author Share Posted November 14, 2013 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 09:33 AM) I DO get the logistical difficulties for fans and students. But the TV revenue would have to justify that. How much would NBC sports pay to get rights to that? 2 gazillion? I have a feeling it will be quite a large contract. Gamblers will love a playoff format Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 09:32 AM) So he was wrong with Wake Forest. Feel free to substitute barely beating Purdue, BYU or Pitt (in 3OT with every possible break) instead. They had a really good win, at home, versus Stanford, and a good win @ Oklahoma and that's about it. Their schedule wasn't cake, but it was far from difficult.* *Through no fault of their own, the perennially strong teams that they regularly schedule just happened to not be very good last year. Who would you have put in instead of Notre Dame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 09:33 AM) I DO get the logistical difficulties for fans and students. But the TV revenue would have to justify that. How much would NBC sports pay to get rights to that? 2 gazillion? You could bid off each round so it would be a s***load of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 04:35 PM) I have a feeling it will be quite a large contract. Gamblers will love a playoff format It would really improve the CFB product. Bowl games I feel like are a crapshoot. Sometimes playmakers start tocheck out with that month to go, thinking about improving draft stock. Coaches move around. But with a playoff format, I can't imagine anyone would take it easy or leave the program if they could have a Shaka Smart type run as a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 09:37 AM) It would really improve the CFB product. Bowl games I feel like are a crapshoot. Sometimes playmakers start tocheck out with that month to go, thinking about improving draft stock. Coaches move around. But with a playoff format, I can't imagine anyone would take it easy or leave the program if they could have a Shaka Smart type run as a coach. How about the fact that right now CFB is the ONLY sport where not every team has a chance to win a championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 10:36 AM) Who would you have put in instead of Notre Dame? I don't think I said I would have put in anyone. By no means do I think they were the second best team in the country, but with the way the ranking system is, there's not really an argument other than "eye test" for anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 03:41 PM) I don't think I said I would have put in anyone. By no means do I think they were the second best team in the country, but with the way the ranking system is, there's not really an argument other than "eye test" for anyone else. Right, my point is this will always happen in november with an upstart team doing really well who may have a weak November schedule. People are immediately going to start complaining from power conferences as they move down in polls while x team moves up beating some 5-letter acronym team. But obviously, I would have put every other team in championship because we are all out to get Notre Dame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 09:41 AM) I don't think I said I would have put in anyone. By no means do I think they were the second best team in the country, but with the way the ranking system is, there's not really an argument other than "eye test" for anyone else. I didnt think Bama passed the eye test either during the season. They had one loss and barely beat Georgia and LSU, their OOC wins were western KY, FAU and western carolina. The fact they were in the SEC got them in the BCS title game and they clearly came to that game more than prepared. ND at the time looked like the best team in the country with those wins and zero losses, as well as what people thought was some legit NFL talent. As much as we all hate ND and their fans, before the blowout they looked pretty legit on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 So he was wrong with Wake Forest. Feel free to substitute barely beating Purdue, BYU or Pitt (in 3OT with every possible break) instead. They had a really good win, at home, versus Stanford, and a good win @ Oklahoma and that's about it. Their schedule wasn't cake, but it was far from difficult.* *Through no fault of their own, the perennially strong teams that they regularly schedule just happened to not be very good last year. I can't find the exact number right now, but their schedule strength ranked in the teens, so I guess if only ten teams are allowed to consider their schedules difficult, then yes, it was not difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 How about the fact that right now CFB is the ONLY sport where not every team has a chance to win a championship. You can't have a sport with 100+ teams and a 13 game season where every team has a chance to win a championship, regardless of the system. The only way for every team to have a chance to win the championship is to pare down the top division to 70 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 blah blah blah blah blah blah. That's the first accurate thing you've said today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogua Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 10:47 AM) I didnt think Bama passed the eye test either during the season. They had one loss and barely beat Georgia and LSU, their OOC wins were western KY, FAU and western carolina. The fact they were in the SEC got them in the BCS title game and they clearly came to that game more than prepared. ND at the time looked like the best team in the country with those wins and zero losses, as well as what people thought was some legit NFL talent. As much as we all hate ND and their fans, before the blowout they looked pretty legit on paper. I don't think there was any point where ND actually looked like the best team in the country. There was a reason they were 10 point dogs to Bama (whose last game was barely beating UGA). They were #1 because they were undefeated, but not many people thought they were actually the best team in the country outside of ND fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Is NIU any less worthy of making a BCS game than the Big East Champion or in certain years the ACC championship. I remember seeing some sub-par teams making BCS Bowl games from those conferences. NIU had a loss last year, making the BCS this year would be more acceptable than last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 14, 2013 Author Share Posted November 14, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 09:50 AM) You can't have a sport with 100+ teams and a 13 game season where every team has a chance to win a championship, regardless of the system. The only way for every team to have a chance to win the championship is to pare down the top division to 70 teams. I agree with this, but lets be honest. Every year there is a chance for maybe 5-10 teams to win a championship. MAYBE. Giving 70 a shot is a HUGE step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 09:50 AM) You can't have a sport with 100+ teams and a 13 game season where every team has a chance to win a championship, regardless of the system. The only way for every team to have a chance to win the championship is to pare down the top division to 70 teams. Doesnt make it any less f***ed up. There are teams that legitimately cannot win a title, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 09:56 AM) I agree with this, but lets be honest. Every year there is a chance for maybe 5-10 teams to win a championship. MAYBE. Giving 70 a shot is a HUGE step up. Allowing teams like MAC teams the chance to play for it would be a huge step up. Just give them a tiny bit of a chance at a shot. Right now there is 0% chance. In 2003 my alma mater went undefeated, destroyed a Big East team in a bowl game and only could climb to #10 in the polls. I would have loved to see a playoff system where you have a chance to at least knock out a favorite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I agree with this, but lets be honest. Every year there is a chance for maybe 5-10 teams to win a championship. MAYBE. Giving 70 a shot is a HUGE step up. Well, you are talking about 5-10 teams that are actually good enough to win a championship. Every team from a BCS conference has a chance if they can go undefeated. It's teams like NIU that can go 13-0 and not even play for a championship that make the system so messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 10:02 AM) Well, you are talking about 5-10 teams that are actually good enough to win a championship. Every team from a BCS conference has a chance if they can go undefeated. It's teams like NIU that can go 13-0 and not even play for a championship that make the system so messed up. They cant even end up top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 09:50 AM) You can't have a sport with 100+ teams and a 13 game season where every team has a chance to win a championship, regardless of the system. The only way for every team to have a chance to win the championship is to pare down the top division to 70 teams. How many teams are in the lower divisions that have playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 10:18 AM) How many teams are in the lower divisions that have playoffs? 311 in D2. 442 in D3 Whoops that counted all sports. 123 FCS football teams 169 D2 football teams 237 D3 football teams I believe they all have 24 team playoffs. Double checking. Edited November 14, 2013 by RockRaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 The big mistake in this discussion was bringing up ND. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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