bmags Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Which is great for me, I hate nebraska fans more than any fans. Even kU fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 10:30 PM) Guys he recruited are saying the same thing on twitter. And I'll give credit to USC (of all schools) for realizing where it stands and going after realistic candidates like Peterson and Sark. That's very rare these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 03:33 PM) And I'll give credit to USC (of all schools) for realizing where it stands and going after realistic candidates like Peterson and Sark. That's very rare these days. Whoever hired Kiffin was a moron though, so not too much credit to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 03:38 PM) Whoever hired Kiffin was a moron though, so not too much credit to them. As bad as a coach as he is, it really is astonishing the climb that Lane Kiffin made at two seperate levels of football, using basically his daddies good name. The guy is a supreme snake oil salesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 09:49 PM) As bad as a coach as he is, it really is astonishing the climb that Lane Kiffin made at two seperate levels of football, using basically his daddies good name. The guy is a supreme snake oil salesman It seems that snake oil salesman can have a great career in college sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Maybe the Big 12 isn't as s***ty as people think it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 03:53 PM) It seems that snake oil salesman can have a great career in college sports. They still have to be able to coach the players. See: Zook, Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 10:08 PM) They still have to be able to coach the players. See: Zook, Ron Absolutely, but boy do they make a lot before they flame out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 04:13 PM) Absolutely, but boy do they make a lot before they flame out. Oh yea. Thats the crazy thing about Kiffin to me. At no point in his career did he have a really successful season. I suppose 2012 was pretty good at USC, but they really fell off. But the Raiders, and Tennessee, and all of the recruiting violations that followed him around, and all of the crap that came along with him. You would think somewhere along the line he had an incredible season buried in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 10:08 PM) They still have to be able to coach the players. See: Zook, Ron Ron Zook was great. Don't bring him up with Lane Train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 04:35 PM) Ron Zook was great. Don't bring him up with Lane Train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 03:03 PM) Remember when Mizzou and TAMU joined the SEC and never had a chance? Didnt take long to prove that theory completely unjustified. Maybe the rest of the division is just "bad" like you say. Georgia did have about 28 ACL tears and this was Florida's worst season in about 30 years. But I agree that the success of the top teams in the SEC has to lead a wrong opinion about the rest of the league. Bama & Auburn & LSU have been that good, but that in no way means that Arkansas, both Mississippis, Kentucky, Vanderbilt & co. are good simply for being in the same conference as the other schools. QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 03:06 PM) Compared to what? Washington was very good from about 75-92, then 3 bowl wins in 20+ years. They were ineligible in 93 & 94, then went to 8 straight bowl games after that. Not their heyday anymore, but still consistent until the wheels completely fell off. But if we are gonna use bowl wins to judge a program's success, Illinois has more bowl victories than OSU & Wisconsin combined in the last 3 seasons. I L L ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 04:35 PM) Ron Zook was great. Don't bring him up with Lane Train. I think Florida and ILL would love some Zook right about now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 06:06 PM) I think Florida and ILL would love some Zook right about now. If Illinois could have Zook with the current O-Coord and past D-Coord and give him ample job security things probably would be looking pretty good for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 3, 2013 Author Share Posted December 3, 2013 People want Zooks recruiting, not his coaching. My snake oil comment is in reference to his ability to sell U of I on some pretty good recruits. Kiffins "snake oil" was himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Orgeron furious and quit. Talk about a hot commodity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 06:06 PM) I think Florida and ILL would love some Zook right about now. You're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 04:43 PM) Orgeron furious and quit. Talk about a hot commodity. As an assistant, absolutely, as a head coach...meh. Good hire for a solid FBS school. He'd be a nice hire for someone like Illinois, but ultimately he's a best fit out west where his recruiting skills would better serve him. It is hard to ignore the disasterous run he had at Ole Miss as a HC though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 07:06 PM) I think Florida and ILL would love some Zook right about now. I still don't think Zook should have been fired from Illinois, but I think my football expectations are much lower than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 12:57 PM) Woo hoo, indifference! So far I only really really hate Ole Miss in all sports. Haha. What's interesting is that the only other SEC that I guess I actually do like is Ole Miss. The Grove is unbelievable. Oxford is incredibly charming. Lots of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 06:43 PM) Orgeron furious and quit. Talk about a hot commodity. So far he has interviews set with Wake Forest and Florida Atlantic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 07:10 PM) I still don't think Zook should have been fired from Illinois, but I think my football expectations are much lower than most. What the f***? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (dasox24 @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 07:41 PM) Haha. What's interesting is that the only other SEC that I guess I actually do like is Ole Miss. The Grove is unbelievable. Oxford is incredibly charming. Lots of fun. I would love to attend a football game at nearly any SEC school, but Ole Miss is #1 on the list. The football may not be that good, but by all accounts the atmosphere can't be beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 10:57 PM) What the f***? 3 bowl games in 5 years and first back-to-back bowl games in 20 years. He may have made some awful gameday decisions, but he brought in a lot of talent to Champaign and always kept it entertaining. It's not like Illinois has ever been a football powerhouse since the Second World War. Plus, dude can barefoot waterski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 2, 2013 -> 11:29 PM) 3 bowl games in 5 years and first back-to-back bowl games in 20 years. He may have made some awful gameday decisions, but he brought in a lot of talent to Champaign and always kept it entertaining. It's not like Illinois has ever been a football powerhouse since the Second World War. Plus, dude can barefoot waterski. He ran the program into the ground. And now we're seeing the results. Please don't let "bowl games" cloud your judgment. That's the biggest bs statement. Should have been gone after 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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