2013 Minor League Transactions

[southsider2k5]

Leesman was waived and claimed by the Rangers. He refused assignment and came back to the Sox AAA team as a free agent. I haven't heard anything more since. Shirek left for Korea.

[Jimbo1965]

Hankerd was a minor league ringer, not a prospect really, and he went to another org.

 

Shirek was just stuck behind too many people, and elected to go pitch in Korea. He may show up on major league radars again in the future.

 

Leesman was indeed a prospect, always sort of a mysterious one. He was put on waivers recently, claimed by Texas, Texas assigned him to AAA, he rejected the assignment and went FA, and the Sox picked him back up. He was injured in the playoffs last year, and was still just recovering when he was waived. So he's probably back in AZ now, waiting for a chance with Charlotte to open up.

 

Thanks. Very informative, you really know your stuff!

[Jimbo1965]

Leesman was waived and claimed by the Rangers. He refused assignment and came back to the Sox AAA team as a free agent. I haven't heard anything more since. Shirek left for Korea.

 

It still shows Hankerd attached to Sox in MILB.COM with no stats for this year. I'm glad Leesman is back. Hankerd and Shoemaker have good stats so it baffles me when they are not considered prospects. It just makes sense that if they can do it at one level they are at least considered prospects at the next level until they actually fail. Shoemaker has been kind of a favorite of mine for having good stats but they move him so slowly. I was looking forward to him in AA.

[NorthSideSox72]

It still shows Hankerd attached to Sox in MILB.COM with no stats for this year. I'm glad Leesman is back. Hankerd and Shoemaker have good stats so it baffles me when they are not considered prospects. It just makes sense that if they can do it at one level they are at least considered prospects at the next level until they actually fail. Shoemaker has been kind of a favorite of mine for having good stats but they move him so slowly. I was looking forward to him in AA.

Part of this depends on your definition of "prospect". For me, Shoemaker is a prospect, but he's fringey. I figured him for AA coming into the season, and if he had hit well there, I think he'd have been more on the radar. He's certainly hit well on his way up, but he's been consistently old-for-level, and he's unfortunately in the one positional crowd in the Sox system that actually has some depth (OF). And I've never heard anything stand out about his defense either, though I haven't heard anything bad.

 

That all said, I'd prefer with guys like him (and Dan Black is another example) that, if they continue to hit at a high level like that, even if tools-wise they don't rate very high, they should challenge them to see who shakes out. That may still happen for Shoemaker, but now with missing most or all of 2013, he's going to be pretty behind, trying to remember how to hit, while being 1-2 years too old for his level and stuck behind guys. Not an impossible task, but, a very tough road. Obviously I hope he makes it happen.

 

Hankerd is a 28 year old who has been in A ball the past couple years, and never got above AA. His AA numbers were nothing very good either. His big numbers last year at both levels of A ball came in limited action as well. He hasn't played this year, but is not on the DL. I had thought he went to another org, I read somewhere, but maybe I'm wrong on that. He is likely out of baseball now, in this case, but again I don't really know.

 

[Jimbo1965]

Part of this depends on your definition of "prospect". For me, Shoemaker is a prospect, but he's fringey. I figured him for AA coming into the season, and if he had hit well there, I think he'd have been more on the radar. He's certainly hit well on his way up, but he's been consistently old-for-level, and he's unfortunately in the one positional crowd in the Sox system that actually has some depth (OF). And I've never heard anything stand out about his defense either, though I haven't heard anything bad.

 

That all said, I'd prefer with guys like him (and Dan Black is another example) that, if they continue to hit at a high level like that, even if tools-wise they don't rate very high, they should challenge them to see who shakes out. That may still happen for Shoemaker, but now with missing most or all of 2013, he's going to be pretty behind, trying to remember how to hit, while being 1-2 years too old for his level and stuck behind guys. Not an impossible task, but, a very tough road. Obviously I hope he makes it happen.

 

Hankerd is a 28 year old who has been in A ball the past couple years, and never got above AA. His AA numbers were nothing very good either. His big numbers last year at both levels of A ball came in limited action as well. He hasn't played this year, but is not on the DL. I had thought he went to another org, I read somewhere, but maybe I'm wrong on that. He is likely out of baseball now, in this case, but again I don't really know.

 

You are not wrong. But it seems unfair to slight someone because they are old for their league. They have no control over that. Why would Kenny/Hahn do that? Cyle Hankerd never got a chance in the majors and hit .400 in his 15 AB's in AAA. I would have him in AAA to see what he could do this year? What would you do with him? Part of my frustration is every day I go over yesterday's minor league box scores. They have so few players hitting. All of their top position players save Siemens are not hitting. Black was never in any top 20. Also I like players who know how to take a walk.

[baseball17]

Hankerd was a minor league ringer, not a prospect really, and he went to another org.

 

Shirek was just stuck behind too many people, and elected to go pitch in Korea. He may show up on major league radars again in the future.

 

Leesman was indeed a prospect, always sort of a mysterious one. He was put on waivers recently, claimed by Texas, Texas assigned him to AAA, he rejected the assignment and went FA, and the Sox picked him back up. He was injured in the playoffs last year, and was still just recovering when he was waived. So he's probably back in AZ now, waiting for a chance with Charlotte to open up.

 

 

Leesman will be in Charlotte in a few weeks. During the DFA he wasn't allowed to do anything, so it set him back a few more weeks. It's not about a spot opening up, he is building his innings back up. Also, Shirek is doing very well in Korea.

[witesoxfan]

You are not wrong. But it seems unfair to slight someone because they are old for their league. They have no control over that. Why would Kenny/Hahn do that? Cyle Hankerd never got a chance in the majors and hit .400 in his 15 AB's in AAA. I would have him in AAA to see what he could do this year? What would you do with him? Part of my frustration is every day I go over yesterday's minor league box scores. They have so few players hitting. All of their top position players save Siemens are not hitting. Black was never in any top 20. Also I like players who know how to take a walk.

 

There are several reasons why you pay attention to the age of a prospect and what level they're at. For starters, old prospects have less time to adjust to higher level pitching before they exit their prime years (typically considered to be anywhere between the ages of 25-33, but a much narrower 28-31 are considered to be your peak years). They are also going to be full developed physically and really have nowhere to go but down from that point - they'll can get smarter as a player, but they'll get slower, weaker, and more fragile too.

 

Secondly, older prospects do have the ability to control that, and they do so by performing to the point where the organization is forced to move them up. Cyle Hankerd absolutely had a chance to prove himself - multiple chances, in fact - and in 1200+ plate appearances at the AA level, he put up a split line of .254/.325/.361/.687. That is bad.

 

Black might show up in some Sox top 20 prospect lists come midseason or end of the season if he keeps hitting. He won't be thought highly of, but if he keeps hitting, he'll be impossible to be ignored.

[NorthSideSox72]

Leesman will be in Charlotte in a few weeks. During the DFA he wasn't allowed to do anything, so it set him back a few more weeks. It's not about a spot opening up, he is building his innings back up. Also, Shirek is doing very well in Korea.

 

Both good know. Where are you finding Korean baseball numbers? Just curious.

 

There are several reasons why you pay attention to the age of a prospect and what level they're at. For starters, old prospects have less time to adjust to higher level pitching before they exit their prime years (typically considered to be anywhere between the ages of 25-33, but a much narrower 28-31 are considered to be your peak years). They are also going to be full developed physically and really have nowhere to go but down from that point - they'll can get smarter as a player, but they'll get slower, weaker, and more fragile too.

 

Secondly, older prospects do have the ability to control that, and they do so by performing to the point where the organization is forced to move them up. Cyle Hankerd absolutely had a chance to prove himself - multiple chances, in fact - and in 1200+ plate appearances at the AA level, he put up a split line of .254/.325/.361/.687. That is bad.

 

Black might show up in some Sox top 20 prospect lists come midseason or end of the season if he keeps hitting. He won't be thought highly of, but if he keeps hitting, he'll be impossible to be ignored.

 

Great points. I'll also add, Jimbo seems to be looking at this as some sort of personal affront. No one in the front office is going to keep guys down for the heck of it. I may disagree with their handling of some players in certain circumstances, but I have no doubt they are putting the guys at levels according to who they think is most likely to succeed.

 

As for Dan Black, he's got a couple filler guys ahead of him (Loman, Gallagher), who aren't going to be in his way if the Sox think he's got something. But he's on a team with Wilkins, who has been a more highly considered prospect at 1B for years now. We'll see how it plays out.

 

[Balta1701]

As for Dan Black, he's got a couple filler guys ahead of him (Loman, Gallagher), who aren't going to be in his way if the Sox think he's got something. But he's on a team with Wilkins, who has been a more highly considered prospect at 1B for years now. We'll see how it plays out.

Right now I think they're using the DH and 1b spot to get both into the lineup.

[NorthSideSox72]

Right now I think they're using the DH and 1b spot to get both into the lineup.

Yup.

 

Which means they both get playing time, but Black needs to show some space between him and Wilkins in order to get a promotion first.

 

[flavum]

http://dashboard.mlblogs.com/2013/05/14/ro...pitching-staff/

[NorthSideSox72]

Jaye from Kanny to W-S (and starts tonight)

 

Buch from B-Ham to W-S

 

Brase from W-S to Kanny

 

Collop released

 

...leaves 1 open roster spot in B-Ham.

 

[MnSoxFan]

Jaye from Kanny to W-S (and starts tonight)

 

Buch from B-Ham to W-S

 

Brase from W-S to Kanny

 

Collop released

 

...leaves 1 open roster spot in B-Ham.

 

Sanchez came off the DL for the Barons

[DirtySox]

 

Josh Phegley, C, White Sox (Triple-A Charlotte): 2-4, 2B, HR, 2 R, 3 RBI; mistake hitter; average bat speed; solid-average power potential; fringy runner; plus arm strength; average receiver; backup catcher profile; .330/.395/.670 with 9 2B and 9 HR in 106 at-bats.

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....rticleid=20582#

[NorthSideSox72]

Catcher Jose Barraza, 2012 7th round pick, had TJ surgery. Out for the season. Says he hopes to at least DH a little in AZ fall instructional league.

 

[Jake]

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....rticleid=20582#

 

In other words, they are unconvinced by the hot start. I'd show caution too with his iffy track record. Could be him finally catching up after the illness and somewhat quick promotions, or it could just be a blip

[NorthSideSox72]

In other words, they are unconvinced by the hot start. I'd show caution too with his iffy track record. Could be him finally catching up after the illness and somewhat quick promotions, or it could just be a blip

Good to be cautious. But we're a month-and-a-half in now. He is not likely to keep hitting THIS well, but I also don't think it is just a blip.

 

About that write-up too... if he can be an "average receiver", that's a win. He has a plus arm, and was drafted as an offense-first catcher.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

Someone asked about Matt Lane the other day... just announced he had Tommy John surgery, out for year. Plans to be back in 2014.

 

[MnSoxFan]

I have Kanny with 27 active players. Late last week, they recieved Tanner from W-S, Grabe and Ramirez from Ext ST, and activated Marjama. They sent 2 catchers to Ext ST, those two were Fisher and Rosario. That indicates they went from 25 to 27. I was hoping they finally released Tyler Williams and Palmiero's kid.

 

Have not seen anyone put on DL or anything, anyone know what went on there?

[NorthSideSox72]

I have Kanny with 27 active players. Late last week, they recieved Tanner from W-S, Grabe and Ramirez from Ext ST, and activated Marjama. They sent 2 catchers to Ext ST, those two were Fisher and Rosario. That indicates they went from 25 to 27. I was hoping they finally released Tyler Williams and Palmiero's kid.

 

Have not seen anyone put on DL or anything, anyone know what went on there?

They released a couple guys, Kyle Robinson and Ruben Sierra Jr.

 

[MnSoxFan]

They released a couple guys, Kyle Robinson and Ruben Sierra Jr.

 

Thanks

[NorthSideSox72]

What ever happened to Kyle McMillen? 2011 4th round pick, pitched briefly in 2011, disappeared. I must have missed something.

 

[The Ginger Kid]

I see Mitchell is back off the DL. Anyone know what's the health status with Hawkins?

[southsider2k5]

K-Town Intimidators ‏@Intimidators 1h

 

Roster Move: The Intimidators received INF Jake Brown from Extended Spring. Tyler Williams has been transferred to Extended.

[flavum]

Sox traded Drew Garcia to the Rockies. He seemed to be a Sox organizational guy--got a lot of spring training time over the last couple years. He gawn.