iamshack Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 07:32 AM) Harper and Trout have f***ed up reality for baseball fans. In more ways than one, honestly...yes, now prospects are expected to pan out at 22-24 instead of 25-26, but at the same time, now many of these prospects that will never turn into anything are expected to do too much, or held on to for too long. It's a two-way street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 09:11 AM) I actually think Zobrist would cost more than Olt. He's 31, going on 32 in May and makes over 5.5 mil this season with two team option years over 7.5 mil. He should be less. The problem is, is that he's way out of practice at 3B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 QUOTE (knightni @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 10:15 AM) He's 31, going on 32 in May and makes over 5.5 mil this season with two team option years over 7.5 mil. He should be less. The problem is, is that he's way out of practice at 3B. This is one of those situations (not unlike Konerko with the Sox) where the player is just worth most to the team that currently has him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 11:18 AM) This is one of those situations (not unlike Konerko with the Sox) where the player is just worth most to the team that currently has him. All the Beckham haters should know that TB would probably take him for Zobrist even-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (knightni @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 10:23 AM) All the Beckham haters should know that TB would probably take him for Zobrist even-up. Zobrist, saber-wise, is one of the best players in baseball. I am a Beckham fan, but if that trade is available, the Sox would not be wise to pass. I really think most people have no idea just how good he has been the last several years. His contract is a steal. Edited February 1, 2013 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (knightni @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 10:23 AM) All the Beckham haters should know that TB would probably take him for Zobrist even-up. That deal is a no brainer for the Sox, the Rays aren't going to make that trade. Edited February 1, 2013 by bigruss22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 QUOTE (knightni @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 10:23 AM) All the Beckham haters should know that TB would probably take him for Zobrist even-up. This is a greg-like statement in its absurdity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 09:11 AM) Scott Rolen is terrible. Over his last 599 PAs, he's put up .244/.301/.397/.698. Rios for Olt is kind of a cool idea. Ok but what production did we have there before? At the right price he might be an option considering he would be sharing playing time with Keppinger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 11:37 AM) This is a greg-like statement in its absurdity. The Sox got Youkilis for Lilli and scraps. Beckham is better than Lillibridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 10:38 AM) Ok but what production did we have there before? At the right price he might be an option considering he would be sharing playing time with Keppinger. You will be llucky to get 100 ABs out of Rolen before his legs fall off. Literally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 11:41 AM) You will be llucky to get 100 ABs out of Rolen before his legs fall off. Literally. Literally? Like becoming a paraplegic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 QUOTE (knightni @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 10:44 AM) Literally? Like becoming a paraplegic? Yup. That's how broken down he is. One of these days when he gets up from diving for a grounder, his leg is not coming with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 QUOTE (knightni @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 10:40 AM) The Sox got Youkilis for Lilli and scraps. Beckham is better than Lillibridge. Youk is not even close to Zobrist, the situations are completely different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 QUOTE (knightni @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 10:40 AM) The Sox got Youkilis for Lilli and scraps. Beckham is better than Lillibridge. You really need to check out Zobrist's numbers. He probably would instantly become the best position player on the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Zobrist, saber-wise, is one of the best players in baseball. I am a Beckham fan, but if that trade is available, the Sox would not be wise to pass. I really think most people have no idea just how good he has been the last several years. His contract is a steal. If the Sox could trade Beckham for Zobrist, I'd personally offer to drive Gordo to TB and pick up Zobrist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 10:41 AM) You will be llucky to get 100 ABs out of Rolen before his legs fall off. Literally. Isnt it his shoulders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 10:49 AM) You really need to check out Zobrist's numbers. He probably would instantly become the best position player on the White Sox. 25.1 WAR since 2009. 3rd in baseball behind only triple crown boy and Pujols. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 10:54 AM) 25.1 WAR since 2009. 3rd in baseball behind only triple crown boy and Pujols. Beckham and US Cellular Field should be a fair trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 In my relatively short time on Soxtalk, I have observed that "Dick Allen" is THE most knowledgeable poster on this site. Kudos to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Beckham and US Cellular Field should be a fair trade. True that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 10:53 AM) Isnt it his shoulders? Shoulders, legs, whatever. At some point his body will fall apart on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I think these types of deals, we trade something we have for something worth alot more. yes!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 10:54 AM) 25.1 WAR since 2009. 3rd in baseball behind only triple crown boy and Pujols. But he makes $5.5 million next year!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 10:58 AM) Shoulders, legs, whatever. At some point his body will fall apart on the field. *imagines Rolens are flying across the diamond after a throw to PK* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 1, 2013 -> 09:10 AM) What are you basing that on.........his AA stats? He could be but he has a less than .500 OPS in the major leagues and he's older than Viciedo. According to your previous posts, acquiring him would not be the best option. I would trade Rios for Olt for sure. I would trade Rios for a bag of balls if the other team took his contract. But this is another case of posters loving other teams' prospects while hating on White Sox prospects who put up similar if not better numbers. Mike Olt pre-2012...ranked 42nd best prospect Brian Anderson pre-2005...ranked 37th best prospect Olt's success is far from guaranteed. I like the wisdom in this post. I don't always trust this organization when it comes to prospects who aren't pitchers. Is Rios contract that expensive by today's non penny pitching Reinsdorf standards? Some of the adjustments made him one of the better players on the team. I'd take a chance on him being good this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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