Boogua Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 06:51 AM) The Bears pretty much have to make a move like this. If the Bears still envision themselves as a playoff team, they need line help desperately. They really don't have to sign Long. Especially at 11 mil per year. If they can swing it financially I obviously won't object, but he graded out slightly above Webb last year and is an injury concern. Webb wasn't nearly as bad as people think he was last year and there are really good RTs out there (Winston and Andre Smith come to mind) that could still let the Bears fill other needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Oh new version of John Tait, where for art thou? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 QUOTE (Boogua @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 08:35 AM) They really don't have to sign Long. Especially at 11 mil per year. If they can swing it financially I obviously won't object, but he graded out slightly above Webb last year and is an injury concern. Webb wasn't nearly as bad as people think he was last year and there are really good RTs out there (Winston and Andre Smith come to mind) that could still let the Bears fill other needs. You may get your wish. Brad Biggs says the Bears want Loadholt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogua Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 09:03 AM) You may get your wish. Brad Biggs says the Bears want Loadholt. I would be pretty happy with that. He actually grades out better than Winston (although not quite as good as Smith). It would also hurt the Vikings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 QUOTE (Boogua @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 02:14 PM) I would be pretty happy with that. He actually grades out better than Winston (although not quite as good as Smith). It would also hurt the Vikings. Are these rankings really gospel though? I've heard oline rating is the hardest to grade out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogua Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 09:27 AM) Are these rankings really gospel though? I've heard oline rating is the hardest to grade out. I just use pro football focus. I wouldn't call the rankings gospel, but the people that do the rankings probably know more than either of us, so it's a decent tool to use. Oh, and Andre Smith wants 9 mil a year at RT and is regarded as one of the best (if not the best) RT in the league, so we don't have to use the grading thing with him too much. Edited March 12, 2013 by Boogua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 09:27 AM) Are these rankings really gospel though? I've heard oline rating is the hardest to grade out. It's hard to know if a o-lineman allowed a sack. It may have looked like they did, but if you don't know the assignments its hard to tell. Also if a offensive lineman blocks his guy for 5 seconds, but the QB is still holding on to the ball, than it's kinda of on the QB. Big part of why the Packers gave up so many sacks last year. Edited March 12, 2013 by GoSox05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 QUOTE (Boogua @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 02:29 PM) I just use pro football focus. I wouldn't call the rankings gospel, but the people that do the rankings probably know more than either of us, so it's a decent tool to use. Oh, and Andre Smith wants 9 mil a year at RT and is regarded as one of the best (if not the best) RT in the league, so we don't have to use the grading thing with him too much. Fair point, thanks for the info. I'm way behind on football, trying to keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 NFL free agency is awesome. No messing around. Guys sign quickly before teams run out of cap room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 09:56 AM) NFL free agency is awesome. No messing around. Guys sign quickly before teams run out of cap room. True, but all the guaranteed & non-guaranteed money & random cap hits hide how much a player is actually earning and costing a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 12, 2013 Author Share Posted March 12, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 10:26 AM) True, but all the guaranteed & non-guaranteed money & random cap hits hide how much a player is actually earning and costing a team. It is so impossible to figure out unless you spend a ton of time on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) I just like the speed of the major signings. Its like musical chairs. These guys want to sign before the available money runs out. Boras would be lost as an NFL agent. Edited March 12, 2013 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Boras would be fine. Hed get the best deals first. He just uses the baseball system to his advantage. If if he was NFL, hed use their system to panic teams into offering money quick. Its the same game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 11:43 AM) Boras would be fine. Hed get the best deals first. He just uses the baseball system to his advantage. If if he was NFL, hed use their system to panic teams into offering money quick. Its the same game. Salary cap/ no salary cap....totally different game. All teams already offer the money quick. Once its gone, its gone. Boras is a master negotiator who thrives when his players become free agents. In the NFL, his tactics wouldn't work, and obviously he would change, but he really couldn't be unique. MLB would love to have the NFL-style cap and free agency and non guaranteed contracts. It takes most of guys like Boras' leverage away. Edited March 12, 2013 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) Hey look, Tony Gonzalez likes money. #NFL #Falcons— Flapship (@TheFlapship) March 12, 2013 don't bring up "wanting to see your kid" when talking retirement unless you're going to retire Edited March 12, 2013 by Steve9347 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 So if you could have only one: Loadholt or Bushrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 12:11 PM) Salary cap/ no salary cap....totally different game. All teams already offer the money quick. Once its gone, its gone. Boras is a master negotiator who thrives when his players become free agents. In the NFL, his tactics wouldn't work, and obviously he would change, but he really couldn't be unique. MLB would love to have the NFL-style cap and free agency and non guaranteed contracts. It takes most of guys like Boras' leverage away. No it really is the same game. Its understanding the market, understanding demand, understanding players ability, etc. The part that is interesting is you think that time would hurt Boras, a time crunch would help Boras. You get the best deals when people are in a rush and panic. That is why in baseball you usually see a guy sign really quick or wait, because once the initial free for all hits, then people reassess. In football there is no time, so Boras would be able to use his tricks "Oh 49ers are offering X, if you dont offer Y we are signing now" and get the same deals. You have to remember its about the players. If Boras lands A-Rod type NFL clients, he can do what he wants. Its the best player who sets the market. I bolded a part because that has nothing to do with agents, it has everything to do with rules being in place to prevent players from getting the maximum possible salary. Even further in the NBA where you have a MAX salary, you just cant negotiate for more money, regardless of how good the agent is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 01:03 PM) So if you could have only one: Loadholt or Bushrod. I choose Rodload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 01:05 PM) No it really is the same game. Its understanding the market, understanding demand, understanding players ability, etc. The part that is interesting is you think that time would hurt Boras, a time crunch would help Boras. You get the best deals when people are in a rush and panic. That is why in baseball you usually see a guy sign really quick or wait, because once the initial free for all hits, then people reassess. In football there is no time, so Boras would be able to use his tricks "Oh 49ers are offering X, if you dont offer Y we are signing now" and get the same deals. You have to remember its about the players. If Boras lands A-Rod type NFL clients, he can do what he wants. Its the best player who sets the market. I bolded a part because that has nothing to do with agents, it has everything to do with rules being in place to prevent players from getting the maximum possible salary. Even further in the NBA where you have a MAX salary, you just cant negotiate for more money, regardless of how good the agent is. In a way, but he can't stretch what they are able to pay. He can't play one team off of another as much as he can in baseball. If he makes an outrageous counteroffer, the way free agency works in the NFL, teams will just move on to the next guy. There isn't time for drawn out bidding wars. Listening to Bill Pollian and Bill Parcells on ESPN the other day discussing the salary cap was fascinating. One guy they were asked about was Revis. Both said they wouldn't trade for him until he showed he was OK to play, and both said they wouldn't give a corner the type of money he is looking for no matter how good he is. It's not like baseball where signing the right guy gets you x number more people through the turnstiles and helps you make money. I think agents impact baseball salaries far more than they impact those in the NFL. NFL teams' hands are tied. A big contract and an injury or lack of performance could mean years of dead cap space. Edited March 12, 2013 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogua Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 01:03 PM) So if you could have only one: Loadholt or Bushrod. I think it's Loadholt. He'd likely be cheaper than Bushrod (RT vs LT), we wouldn't have to move Webb to RT where we don't know how he'd do, and Bushrod graded out poorly against the pass last year (-3.5 whereas Webb was -.8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 @TomPelissero BREAKING: #Vikings just released Antoine Winfield. Lot's of dudes getting released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 02:19 PM) @TomPelissero BREAKING: #Vikings just released Antoine Winfield. Lot's of dudes getting released. Yes. It looks like Loadholt is going back to the Vikings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) @AdamSchefter Eagles will release former Pro Bowl CB Nnamdi Asomugha today. The dream team is over. All those championships.... Also. @TomPelissero BREAKING: #Vikings have agreed to a multiyear contract with Phil Loadholt. Edited March 12, 2013 by GoSox05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) @nfldraftscout Can confirm: Chicago #Bears will be signing TE Martellus Bennett tonight. Edited March 12, 2013 by GoSox05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyons Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Mar 12, 2013 -> 03:02 PM) @nfldraftscout Can confirm: Chicago #Bears will be signing TE Martellus Bennett tonight. Martellus Bennett @JoeGryffindor I'm proud to say I'll be joining my other brother @bmarshall next season. #BEARDOWN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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