2013-2014 NFL Thread

[iamshack]

Even so, it is incredibly illegal to hold downfield. If it's not pass interference, it's holding . That should have been called.

 

Also, my opinion of Aqib Talib did not change. One of the dirtiest, s***tiest players in the game.

Yeah, that was a disgusting call...I understand why the "uncatchable" nuance exists. It's frustrating when you see a ticky tack PI call when the ball is launched 25 yards out of bounds. When the ball is thrown into the middle of the field, no less the middle of the end zone, I have to call bs on the uncatchable call. More succinctly to your point, Wite, is the call where they call holding away from the ball on an entirely different defender guarding a different receiver from where the ball was thrown.

 

Total nonsense.

[GoSox05]

Even so, it is incredibly illegal to hold downfield. If it's not pass interference, it's holding . That should have been called.

 

Also, my opinion of Aqib Talib did not change. One of the dirtiest, s***tiest players in the game.

 

What did Talib do yesterday?

[iamshack]

What did Talib do yesterday?

He was spazing out on Steve Smith almost from the outset. Smith made a catch for a first down in the first quarter, and as he tried to get up, well after the play was ruled dead, Talib refused to let go of his ankle and foot while on the ground, trying to prevent Smith from getting up. Smith then tried to push him off of him and Talib acted as if Smith was coming at him unprovoked or something.

 

So the Pats sit Talib down on the sideline to cool him off for a few plays. He gets back in there, and first play, he's grabbing smith and pushing and shoving him and grabbing his facemask.

 

 

[LittleHurt05]

Also, my opinion of Aqib Talib & Steve Smith did not change. One Two of the dirtiest, s***tiest players in the game.

[cabiness42]

Yeah, that was a disgusting call...I understand why the "uncatchable" nuance exists. It's frustrating when you see a ticky tack PI call when the ball is launched 25 yards out of bounds. When the ball is thrown into the middle of the field, no less the middle of the end zone, I have to call bs on the uncatchable call. More succinctly to your point, Wite, is the call where they call holding away from the ball on an entirely different defender guarding a different receiver from where the ball was thrown.

 

Total nonsense.

 

There was a PI call in the Bears game where the ball landed nearly 10 yards beyond the end line. I'm still trying to figure out how that ball was catchable, yet I didn't notice anybody on the Bears sideline complaining, nor did the announcers mention it.

[iamshack]

There was a PI call in the Bears game where the ball landed nearly 10 yards beyond the end line. I'm still trying to figure out how that ball was catchable, yet I didn't notice anybody on the Bears sideline complaining, nor did the announcers mention it.

There are so many rules and so many different interpretations of those rules. It's almost like a court of law with a ton of precedent at this point...the official can chose how he wants to rule and then find a rule or interpretation to support that ruling.

 

The changes have made NFL games extremely difficult to wager on. The officials have such a huge role in the outcome of the games now, and you just don't know how a game is going to be officiated.

Edited November 19, 2013 by iamshack

[Jenksismyhero]

Yeah, that was a disgusting call...I understand why the "uncatchable" nuance exists. It's frustrating when you see a ticky tack PI call when the ball is launched 25 yards out of bounds. When the ball is thrown into the middle of the field, no less the middle of the end zone, I have to call bs on the uncatchable call. More succinctly to your point, Wite, is the call where they call holding away from the ball on an entirely different defender guarding a different receiver from where the ball was thrown.

 

Total nonsense.

 

With the spirit of the rule in mind, why should the officials have bailed out Brady and the Patriots for an awful throw? This isn't a ball that lands 5 yards short and is arguably catchable, it was intercepted 7-8 yards in front of the receiver. He had no hope of catching that ball.

 

[Kyyle23]

With the spirit of the rule in mind, why should the officials have bailed out Brady and the Patriots for an awful throw? This isn't a ball that lands 5 yards short and is arguably catchable, it was intercepted 7-8 yards in front of the receiver. He had no hope of catching that ball.

 

I disagree that he had no hope of catching it. It was short for sure, but if Gronk runs a curl in front of Kuechly, he would have been standing right where it was intercepted.

 

Plus, Kuechly was face guarding AND grabbing him before Gronk even entered the endzone, before the ball was thrown.

[Balta1701]

Plus, Kuechly was face guarding AND grabbing him before Gronk even entered the endzone, before the ball was thrown.

That's defensive holding and not pass interference.

[GoSox05]

Gronk was being held well before the ball was intercepted. Interceptions don't cancel out penalties.

 

 

Also have you ever seen some of the passes that Gronk has caught in his career? To say he had no chance at that pass is ridiculous.

Edited November 19, 2013 by GoSox05

[iamshack]

With the spirit of the rule in mind, why should the officials have bailed out Brady and the Patriots for an awful throw? This isn't a ball that lands 5 yards short and is arguably catchable, it was intercepted 7-8 yards in front of the receiver. He had no hope of catching that ball.

Well, I disagree as to the numbers you are using...the end zone is only 10 yards deep. The ball was intercepted 3-4 yards into the end zone and Gronkowski was what, 2-3 yards from the end line? Therefore, it probably was 3-5 yards in front of him.

 

Honestly, I am not even sure what the "spirit" of the rules are anymore. There are so many of them and there are so many different interpretations of those rules. We have a clear infraction occurring, and a flag was thrown because of it. How can you explain to me that that wasn't defensive holding?

 

Additionally, as I said previously, I don't like putting the officials in a position to try and determine in real time what is catchable and what isn't, unless the threshold they are utilizing is like a ridiculous standard, such as, the ball is some 10 or more yards over the receiver's head or something.

[iamshack]

That's defensive holding and not pass interference.

That's probably the most correct call, but as you can see, there are just so many different rules that could be applied and so many interpretations of those rules, which become subsets of those rules.

 

 

[Jenksismyhero]

I disagree that he had no hope of catching it. It was short for sure, but if Gronk runs a curl in front of Kuechly, he would have been standing right where it was intercepted.

 

Plus, Kuechly was face guarding AND grabbing him before Gronk even entered the endzone, before the ball was thrown.

 

But he didn't run a curl. He ran to the back of the endzone. And the ball was caught almost at the same time that he was interfered with. The only hope Gronk has of catching that ball is a deflection. But that didn't happen, the dude caught the ball.

[Kyyle23]

That's defensive holding and not pass interference.

 

I dont care what it was, the flag shouldnt have been picked up. The officials shouldnt be estimating if the ball could have been caught in that situation because it was irrelevant.

[Kyyle23]

But he didn't run a curl. He ran to the back of the endzone. And the ball was caught almost at the same time that he was interfered with. The only hope Gronk has of catching that ball is a deflection. But that didn't happen, the dude caught the ball.

 

Wrong. He was being held before he entered the endzone

[LittleHurt05]

But he didn't run a curl. He ran to the back of the endzone. And the ball was caught almost at the same time that he was interfered with. The only hope Gronk has of catching that ball is a deflection. But that didn't happen, the dude caught the ball.

 

It looked like miscommunication to me. Gronk thought Brady was gonna throw it up high for him to go get it, Brady thought he was curling and/or cutting towards the middle.

[Jenksismyhero]

Gronk was being held well before the ball was intercepted. Interceptions don't cancel out penalties.

 

 

Also have you ever seen some of the passes that Gronk has caught in his career? To say he had no chance at that pass is ridiculous.

 

Gronk can't magically take the place of the other defender. And we can't pretend like that defender wasn't there.

[Jenksismyhero]

Wrong. He was being held before he entered the endzone

 

 

 

That initial contact happens on every single play in the NFL these days. I agree that a second or two before the ball is intercepted the guy is interfering with him, but to call that catchable you have to completely ignore the other defender who gets in between Gronk and the ball.

 

[Kyyle23]

 

That initial contact happens on every single play in the NFL these days. I agree that a second or two before the ball is intercepted the guy is interfering with him, but to call that catchable you have to completely ignore the other defender who gets in between Gronk and the ball.

 

Gronks head is turned to the ball, he absolutely could have come back to the ball and made a play if Kuechly isnt grabbing him

[Jenksismyhero]

Well, I disagree as to the numbers you are using...the end zone is only 10 yards deep. The ball was intercepted 3-4 yards into the end zone and Gronkowski was what, 2-3 yards from the end line? Therefore, it probably was 3-5 yards in front of him.

 

Honestly, I am not even sure what the "spirit" of the rules are anymore. There are so many of them and there are so many different interpretations of those rules. We have a clear infraction occurring, and a flag was thrown because of it. How can you explain to me that that wasn't defensive holding?

 

Additionally, as I said previously, I don't like putting the officials in a position to try and determine in real time what is catchable and what isn't, unless the threshold they are utilizing is like a ridiculous standard, such as, the ball is some 10 or more yards over the receiver's head or something.

 

Yeah, you're right. It's closer than 7-8 yards. But still, i'm not sure why people are upset with the call. To call that pass interference you're bailing out a bad throw by Brady and a good play by the Carolina defender.

 

[Jenksismyhero]

Gronks head is turned to the ball, he absolutely could have come back to the ball and made a play if Kuechly isnt grabbing him

 

Sure, if you ignore the defender 2-3 yards in front of him in the path of the ball.

[Jenksismyhero]

btw, totally agree with Dan LeBatard:

 

@LeBatardShow : You know what is funny? If it HAD remained pass interference, we all would have b****ed about that, too, saying that can't be called there

[iamshack]

Yeah, you're right. It's closer than 7-8 yards. But still, i'm not sure why people are upset with the call. To call that pass interference you're bailing out a bad throw by Brady and a good play by the Carolina defender.

Fair enough. Brady was under duress and just threw it up, that much is clear.

 

But how is that not defensive holding, at the very least?

[iamshack]

btw, totally agree with Dan LeBatard:

 

@LeBatardShow : You know what is funny? If it HAD remained pass interference, we all would have b****ed about that, too, saying that can't be called there

There would have been a contingent of Carolina fans that would have made that argument. I think the rest of us would be discussing the play, of course, but I don't think you'd have the nearly universal belief that they got the call incorrect that we all have today.

[witesoxfan]

 

That initial contact happens on every single play in the NFL these days. I agree that a second or two before the ball is intercepted the guy is interfering with him, but to call that catchable you have to completely ignore the other defender who gets in between Gronk and the ball.

 

Jesus. So the ball is thrown, Keuchly is pushing him to the back of the endzone, and the DB runs up to intercept it. You could not see a clearer shot of how blatant of a missed call that is.