2013-2014 NFL Thread

[southsideirish71]

I wanted Jeffery to make that play, but it was by no means easy and shouldn't have been a back shoulder throw. It also is far from a guarantee of a victory, since we were still quite far from a TD even with that catch. Nobody is saying this is all on Cutler or anything like this.

 

Riddle me this: if GB and CHI swapped QBs today, who wins? I'm being told that Cutler outplayed Rodgers, so I suppose GB wins by even more?

 

That play was before GB's game winning drive.

 

 

Swapped QBs. Is this your Xbox.

[StrangeSox]

I wanted Jeffery to make that play, but it was by no means easy and shouldn't have been a back shoulder throw.

 

Where should it have been? It hit him square in the hands, and Jeffery has made way more difficult catches several times this season.

 

It also is far from a guarantee of a victory, since we were still quite far from a TD even with that catch. Nobody is saying this is all on Cutler or anything like this.

 

It wasn't a guaranteed TD, but it's at least another couple of minutes off the clock and probably three more points. That changes what the Bears have to do even if GB scores.

 

Some people are heavily implying that it's Cutler's fault. Some people are implying even more ridiculous things, like maybe McCown would have won that game.

 

Riddle me this: if GB and CHI swapped QBs today, who wins? I'm being told that Cutler outplayed Rodgers, so I suppose GB wins by even more?

Yeah, probably.

Edited December 30, 2013 by StrangeSox

[Jenksismyhero]

Oh, so if a pitcher gives up 9 ER and wins the game, he's obviously better than the guy who gave up 4 ER and lost?

 

This is like a debate about pitching wins.

 

Terrible analogy. A QB can suck for three quarters and still make the plays to win the game in the 4th. A QB of all positions in basically all of sports has the ability to affect the game the most.

 

Cutler had a more complete game than Rogers. Ok, great (and let's forget Forte's game or Marshall's ridiculous catch). Rogers won the game when it mattered. He made the plays when it mattered. That's all that matters in my book.

 

But continue on Cutler-apologists. It's the WR's. It's the O-line. It's the coach. It's the play calling. It's the defense. It's the blah blah blah. Bottom line, the dude can't beat the Packers. He finally had a good game against the Packers and it still wasn't enough. Dude is not a franchise QB and I'd really hate it if the Bears committed a ton of money to him given the problems with the rest of the roster. That's really all I (and Jake) are saying. If he takes a reasonable sum of money, fine, bring him back. If he's asking for the moon, give him a nice handshake on his way out.

 

 

 

 

 

[RockRaines]

That play was before GB's game winning drive.

 

 

Swapped QBs. Is this your Xbox.

If Cutler had a QB rating in the 80's and Rogers in the 100's then I would suspect he would make sense.

[HeGone33]

We'll, the Bears still suck. Where's the guy that thought Carolina would be a perfect matchup for the Bears?!? #Cmonman

[chw42]

Terrible analogy. A QB can suck for three quarters and still make the plays to win the game in the 4th. A QB of all positions in basically all of sports has the ability to affect the game the most.

 

Cutler had a more complete game than Rogers. Ok, great (and let's forget Forte's game or Marshall's ridiculous catch). Rogers won the game when it mattered. He made the plays when it mattered. That's all that matters in my book.

 

But continue on Cutler-apologists. It's the WR's. It's the O-line. It's the coach. It's the play calling. It's the defense. It's the blah blah blah. Bottom line, the dude can't beat the Packers. He finally had a good game against the Packers and it still wasn't enough. Dude is not a franchise QB and I'd really hate it if the Bears committed a ton of money to him given the problems with the rest of the roster. That's really all I (and Jake) are saying. If he takes a reasonable sum of money, fine, bring him back. If he's asking for the moon, give him a nice handshake on his way out.

 

This is about people like you thinking Cutler should be run out of town simply because he didn't play like Peyton Manning or dare I say it...Aaron Rodgers.

 

I don't think all of us want Cutler back. I sort of don't, there are better ways to spend money with this team.

 

But to say that Cutler is somehow responsible for the defense f***ing up on a 4th and 8 is preposterous.

 

Did you really expect Cutler to drive the Bears down the field for a TD with 38 seconds left and felt like it was his fault that he couldn't? Can Tom Brady even do that...? Stop asking for the moon.

 

We're all disappointed that the Bears lost, but Cutler is way down the list of people I'm disappointed with.

Edited December 30, 2013 by chw42

[StrangeSox]

Terrible analogy. A QB can suck for three quarters and still make the plays to win the game in the 4th. A QB of all positions in basically all of sports has the ability to affect the game the most.

 

Cutler had a more complete game than Rogers. Ok, great (and let's forget Forte's game or Marshall's ridiculous catch). Rogers won the game when it mattered. He made the plays when it mattered. That's all that matters in my book.

 

But continue on Cutler-apologists. It's the WR's. It's the O-line. It's the coach. It's the play calling. It's the defense. It's the blah blah blah. Bottom line, the dude can't beat the Packers. He finally had a good game against the Packers and it still wasn't enough. Dude is not a franchise QB and I'd really hate it if the Bears committed a ton of money to him given the problems with the rest of the roster. That's really all I (and Jake) are saying. If he takes a reasonable sum of money, fine, bring him back. If he's asking for the moon, give him a nice handshake on his way out.

 

You and Jake are saying dumb things about this specific game, not whether Cutler should be extended.

[southsideirish71]

If Cutler had a QB rating in the 80's and Rogers in the 100's then I would suspect he would make sense.

 

McNown would of outplayed them all. He would of stopped Cobb, picked up the live ball on the field and scored 77 points.

[RockRaines]

Terrible analogy. A QB can suck for three quarters and still make the plays to win the game in the 4th. A QB of all positions in basically all of sports has the ability to affect the game the most.

 

Cutler had a more complete game than Rogers. Ok, great (and let's forget Forte's game or Marshall's ridiculous catch). Rogers won the game when it mattered. He made the plays when it mattered. That's all that matters in my book.

 

But continue on Cutler-apologists. It's the WR's. It's the O-line. It's the coach. It's the play calling. It's the defense. It's the blah blah blah. Bottom line, the dude can't beat the Packers. He finally had a good game against the Packers and it still wasn't enough. Dude is not a franchise QB and I'd really hate it if the Bears committed a ton of money to him given the problems with the rest of the roster. That's really all I (and Jake) are saying. If he takes a reasonable sum of money, fine, bring him back. If he's asking for the moon, give him a nice handshake on his way out.

I love the eye test. Stats suck.

[Jenksismyhero]

f*** you, Bears. And f*** all the s***ty ass defensive players who just watched the game deciding TD walk right by them. You play to the whistle. That was taught on Day 1 in any football league. 3rd graders know you don't just quit on a play. Awful. They deserve to lose.

 

No, that's on the D-coordinator. Lovie wouldn't have let that happen. Papa Bear and Ditka too.

[StrangeSox]

Rodgers made Conte blow that coverage and have a ridiculously wide-open WR on 4th and 8 in a make-or-lose play because He Just Wins, unlike loser Cutler. You'd think that Rodgers, who just makes the plays when they matter, wouldn't have gotten to a make-it-or-go-home fourth down, but it's all just a part of his clever scheme because he's so good. Cutler would probably just hit his receiver in the hands on 3rd down, expecting them to catch it or something. Such inferior play.

[Jenksismyhero]

I love the eye test. Stats suck.

 

Stats mean dick if you don't win. How's Cutler done against the best team in the division? The team that needs to be beat every year to get into the playoffs?

[StrangeSox]

No, that's on the D-coordinator. Lovie wouldn't have let that happen. Papa Bear and Ditka too.

Now that the game is over I'll go back to pointing out how dumb this is. Once again, people were only commenting on one very specific play. I really don't know why you can't understand that.

[dasox24]

The offense deserves a bit of blame for the 1st half (7 points is unacceptable), but this loss isn't on them or Cutler at all. It comes down to the 1st Packers TD. That's at worst a 7 point swing but more likely a 14 point swing (if Anderson picks that up and runs, he probably scores a TD the other way). That was a huge lost opportunity.

[RockRaines]

Stats mean dick if you don't win. How's Cutler done against the best team in the division? The team that needs to be beat every year to get into the playoffs?

That's why we need Craig Krenzel back. He just won.

[fathom]

It sure would have been nice to not waste the first timeout in the 2nd half on the Alshon play that should have been called a TD.

[StrangeSox]

Stats mean dick if you don't win. How's Cutler done against the best team in the division? The team that needs to be beat every year to get into the playoffs?

For all the downplaying you're trying to get out of Forte, you seem to be missing the 160 rushing yards GB picked up today. Or, you know, the ridiculously blown coverage that I'm sure you'd hold against Cutler if one of his TD's came that way.

[Jenksismyhero]

This is about people like you thinking Cutler should be run out of town simply because he didn't play like Peyton Manning or dare I say it...Aaron Rodgers.

 

I don't think all of us want Cutler back. I sort of don't, there are better ways to spend money with this team.

 

But to say that Cutler is somehow responsible for the defense f***ing up on a 4th and 8 is preposterous.

 

Did you really expect Cutler to drive the Bears down the field for a TD with 38 seconds left and felt like it was his fault that he couldn't? Can Tom Brady even do that...? Stop asking for the moon.

 

We're all disappointed that the Bears lost, but Cutler is way down the list of people I'm disappointed with.

 

If he's going to be paid as expected, yeah, he needs to play like a top 10 QB. He's not, and hasn't been for the time he's been a Bear.

 

And I never put this loss, or this season, on Cutler. But at some point you have to call a spade a spade. The dude's been given a thousand excuses. At what point do you say enough is enough?

 

And no, I didn't expect Cutler to win the game with 38 seconds. I DID expect him to be MUCH better in the 1st half with maybe the best set of weapons in the entire NFL. Multiple 3 and outs is INEXCUSABLE.

[chw42]

It sure would have been nice to not waste the first timeout in the 2nd half on the Alshon play that should have been called a TD.

 

Blind refs strike again. We got screwed over on two pretty clear plays today.

[southsideirish71]

Stats mean dick if you don't win. How's Cutler done against the best team in the division? The team that needs to be beat every year to get into the playoffs?

 

Math is hard. Stats lie. f*** its like we have channeled the post game Bears call in show. Cue crazyland.

 

 

[Jenksismyhero]

For all the downplaying you're trying to get out of Forte, you seem to be missing the 160 rushing yards GB picked up today. Or, you know, the ridiculously blown coverage that I'm sure you'd hold against Cutler if one of his TD's came that way.

 

160 is a huge step up for this defense. Not sure what you're getting at there.

 

I love how you're pointing to a couple of terrible defensive plays while i'm talking about a career of suck from Cutler when debating what to do with his future. The dude isn't a winner. Plain and simple. He gets good stats against s***ty teams. He sucks against good teams on average. Why do we want to pay this guy franchise QB money when he's not a franchise QB? Oh, he's got an arm. Whoopty f***ing do. He's Jeff George 2.0.

 

 

[chw42]

If he's going to be paid as expected, yeah, he needs to play like a top 10 QB. He's not, and hasn't been for the time he's been a Bear.

 

And I never put this loss, or this season, on Cutler. But at some point you have to call a spade a spade. The dude's been given a thousand excuses. At what point do you say enough is enough?

 

And no, I didn't expect Cutler to win the game with 38 seconds. I DID expect him to be MUCH better in the 1st half with maybe the best set of weapons in the entire NFL. Multiple 3 and outs is INEXCUSABLE.

 

You might not have said it directly, but everything you've said strongly implies you do put blame on Cutler for this game, including your last sentence.

 

After all, you said Aaron Rodgers played a better game because he WON the game.

[chw42]

160 is a huge step up for this defense. Not sure what you're getting at there.

 

I love how you're pointing to a couple of terrible defensive plays while i'm talking about a career of suck from Cutler when debating what to do with his future. The dude isn't a winner. Plain and simple. He gets good stats against s***ty teams. He sucks against good teams on average. Why do we want to pay this guy franchise QB money when he's not a franchise QB? Oh, he's got an arm. Whoopty f***ing do. He's Jeff George 2.0.

 

160 yards to James Stark and Eddie Lacy on one ankle. Yeah, no.

[Jenksismyhero]

Math is hard. Stats lie. f*** its like we have channeled the post game Bears call in show. Cue crazyland.

 

It's crazy to think 1-8 is not acceptable?

[dasox24]

I'm depressed that it's still only December, and all I have to look forward to is the off-season. I'm not ready for that yet. I'm not ready for Free Agent and Draft speculation. This sucks.