southsider2k5 Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 Adam Hoge @AdamHoge 39m Trestman says moving McClellin to LB is under consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 QUOTE (HeGone33 @ Jan 2, 2014 -> 11:07 AM) I guess then we can look at all the games the defense won over the years, when Cutler and the offense did everything to lose. Everyone keeps talking about this great Bears offense, but didn't they win more game with Lovie and his D? The defense got old and injured, it needs to be remade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 jon greenberg @jon_greenberg 48m . @ESPNChiBears asked Trestman about Mel Tucker's future. Answer to follow. "I don't want anybody to read into anything into we're doing. Everything is on the table, we're going thru thoughtful methodical process." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 John Mullin @CSNMoonMullin 20m #Bears Cutler was elected co-captain, not appointed - clear that offensive players 100% behind him, evolved over past couple years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 Kevin Fishbain @kfishbain 6m Trestman said Briggs checked to a blitz on 4th-and-8, Conte didn't get the call, he was in zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 2, 2014 -> 06:13 PM) Kevin Fishbain @kfishbain 6m Trestman said Briggs checked to a blitz on 4th-and-8, Conte didn't get the call, he was in zone. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 2, 2014 -> 11:13 AM) Kevin Fishbain @kfishbain 6m Trestman said Briggs checked to a blitz on 4th-and-8, Conte didn't get the call, he was in zone. Sooooo, even if he didnt get the check to a blitz, didnt he still f*** up? He is the safety, if he was in a zone shouldnt he have followed Cobb instead of sitting down up front and releasing Cobb behind him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 2, 2014 -> 12:25 PM) Sooooo, even if he didnt get the check to a blitz, didnt he still f*** up? He is the safety, if he was in a zone shouldnt he have followed Cobb instead of sitting down up front and releasing Cobb behind him? If he thought they were in a zone then wouldn't he have expected he had help over the top if Cobb kept going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 2, 2014 -> 11:26 AM) If he thought they were in a zone then wouldn't he have expected he had help over the top if Cobb kept going? The safety is usually the "help over the top" though, unless Wright was supposed to cover either side of the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 2, 2014 -> 12:28 PM) The safety is usually the "help over the top" though, unless Wright was supposed to cover either side of the field But from where he was playing he wasn't set in an "over the top" position, he was up close to the line. That would seem to me to suggest the over the top help would have come from somewhere else - perhaps a LB dropping back or one of the CB's? His position at the time of the snap suggests that if he was supposed to drop into a zone, he wasn't covering the deep zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 2, 2014 -> 11:26 AM) If he thought they were in a zone then wouldn't he have expected he had help over the top if Cobb kept going? Yeah, and IIRC, the play call change was happening really late, right as the snap was happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I think we can assume the play called asked something different of Conte than normal Cover 2 deep coverage. He thought he had the flat, which means he probably thought they were in Cover 3 with corners and Major Wright in deep coverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Matt Bowen's got some breakdown of that play here http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1905131...rom-nfl-week-17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 2, 2014 -> 12:31 PM) I think we can assume the play called asked something different of Conte than normal Cover 2 deep coverage. He thought he had the flat, which means he probably thought they were in Cover 3 with corners and Major Wright in deep coverage That does seem like a fairly reasonable call for a 4th and long, to note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 2, 2014 -> 11:30 AM) But from where he was playing he wasn't set in an "over the top" position, he was up close to the line. That would seem to me to suggest the over the top help would have come from somewhere else - perhaps a LB dropping back or one of the CB's? His position at the time of the snap suggests that if he was supposed to drop into a zone, he wasn't covering the deep zone. He started in that position, he ran up to Cobb and then let him run past. Honestly, it isnt reasonable to ask Wright to cover both sides of the field in that call. You cant flush Rodgers like that and have only one guy playing center field Why? We saw why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 2, 2014 -> 12:35 PM) He started in that position, he ran up to Cobb and then let him run past. Honestly, it isnt reasonable to ask Wright to cover both sides of the field in that call. You cant flush Rodgers like that and have only one guy playing center field Why? We saw why Presumably in the call someone else was supposed to release over the top, perhaps the CB playing to the outside of Conte. Instead if that CB got the blitz call and went into man coverage, staying with the receiver on the sideline, it removed the help that Conte would have had in the original playcall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 2, 2014 -> 11:36 AM) Presumably in the call someone else was supposed to release over the top, perhaps the CB playing to the outside of Conte. Instead if that CB got the blitz call and went into man coverage, staying with the receiver on the sideline, it removed the help that Conte would have had in the original playcall. Right, I'm assuming we had three deep on the original zone call -- two CBs and Wright. Conte was to cover the flat near the first down marker. I wouldn't think too deeply about the wisdom of that call since we audibled out of it...there's some chance it was never intended to be the play we actually stuck with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 2, 2014 -> 11:36 AM) Presumably in the call someone else was supposed to release over the top, perhaps the CB playing to the outside of Conte. Instead if that CB got the blitz call and went into man coverage, staying with the receiver on the sideline, it removed the help that Conte would have had in the original playcall. Yeah, that's the standard Cover-3 defense, the CB's cover the left and right deep passes while the FS covers the middle and the SS covers the 5-10 yard area in the flat. Conte would then be responsible for covering Jones and Bowman should have gone deep with Cobb and with some help in the middle from Wright. Conte misses the call and appears to be sitting right where he would in a Cover 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 2, 2014 -> 11:36 AM) Presumably in the call someone else was supposed to release over the top, perhaps the CB playing to the outside of Conte. Instead if that CB got the blitz call and went into man coverage, staying with the receiver on the sideline, it removed the help that Conte would have had in the original playcall. Well, according to Bowen, you arent correct. I will defer to him. I dont see how Bowman would be the one to cover the inside portion of the field that Conte vacated, that is just terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 2, 2014 -> 11:42 AM) Well, according to Bowen, you arent correct. I will defer to him. Bowen's breakdown is from Monday, but he does mention a coverage change and the defense not all being on the same page in the comments. edit: to clarify, the Bears changed to a Cover 0 blitz, but the original call may have been Cover 3, which is exactly what Conte played. Edited January 2, 2014 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 2, 2014 -> 11:13 AM) Kevin Fishbain @kfishbain 6m Trestman said Briggs checked to a blitz on 4th-and-8, Conte didn't get the call, he was in zone. Why would they change the play at the line on a 4th and 8? Edit: NVM, original play was cover 3, which in that case, doesn't make a ton of sense given the situation. Edited January 2, 2014 by chw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Kevin Fishbain @kfishbain 6m Trestman said Briggs checked to a blitz on 4th-and-8, Conte didn't get the call, he was in zone. Rage. All I feel is rage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 2, 2014 -> 11:52 AM) Rage. All I feel is rage. Meh, the Bears avoided a wildcard exit. With that terrible defense, there were going nowhere fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jan 2, 2014 -> 11:56 AM) Meh, the Bears avoided a wildcard exit. With that terrible defense, there were going nowhere fast. Getting in is pretty important, even if you feel your team doesnt have a shot. Nobody thought those same 7-9 Seahawks were going to maul the Saints like they did a few years back, but they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 2, 2014 -> 11:57 AM) Getting in is pretty important, even if you feel your team doesnt have a shot. Nobody thought those same 7-9 Seahawks were going to maul the Saints like they did a few years back, but they did. People also didn't think the Saints would be as bad as they are on the road. It's been especially evident the past few years, but New Orleans is an awful road team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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