2013-2014 NFL Thread

[Jake]

If Peppers would agree to restructure his deal to 2/$20M but with a $6M guarantee in each season, would you do it?

[2nd_city_saint787]

Losing Peppers will hurt, but he's a guy that can potentially be released and brought back. Plus their line looked a lot better late in the year too, though it could obviously be better.

 

Given the payday Bennett is probably looking at, I think aiming lower is the smart choice.

 

 

I'm not sure if we can discount having his brother on the team. It won't be a HUGE discount, but I can see him taking less money to play with Martellus, who has already talked about "recruiting" him.

 

If Peppers would agree to restructure his deal to 2/$20M but with a $6M guarantee in each season, would you do it?

 

That would mean a 6M cap hit each year? If so I think I'd pass. Last 2 years he's been extremely inconsistent. He'll have games where he still goes off, but he's been a non factor more often than not. He really went off in the nasty Baltimore game, and against Minnesota, in those 2 games he had 19 tackles and 4.5 sacks...In his other 14 games?? 28 and 3....That's scary low for a guy who plays a lot of snaps.

 

Jake, you might have this info available on PFF or might know where to find it, how often were teams running away from Peppers? Is it clear he was making an impact in that regard?

 

[Jake]

I'm not sure if we can discount having his brother on the team. It won't be a HUGE discount, but I can see him taking less money to play with Martellus, who has already talked about "recruiting" him.

 

 

 

That would mean a 6M cap hit each year? If so I think I'd pass. Last 2 years he's been extremely inconsistent. He'll have games where he still goes off, but he's been a non factor more often than not. He really went off in the nasty Baltimore game, and against Minnesota, in those 2 games he had 19 tackles and 4.5 sacks...In his other 14 games?? 28 and 3....That's scary low for a guy who plays a lot of snaps.

 

Jake, you might have this info available on PFF or might know where to find it, how often were teams running away from Peppers? Is it clear he was making an impact in that regard?

 

It would mean $10M each year if he is kept or $10 million this year and $6 million next year if he is cut. The real question (for this season) is do you want to pay $2 million to have Julius on the team? You're paying him $8 million to go away regardless.

[2nd_city_saint787]

It would mean $10M each year if he is kept or $10 million this year and $6 million next year if he is cut. The real question (for this season) is do you want to pay $2 million to have Julius on the team? You're paying him $8 million to go away regardless.

 

Again I come back to the consistency issues. If he's willing to take a lesser role then sure. He's not getting any younger and I think it would be a mistake to rely on him as the every down DE he's been. At this point, he's just a name to me.

[witesoxfan]

It would mean $10M each year if he is kept or $10 million this year and $6 million next year if he is cut. The real question (for this season) is do you want to pay $2 million to have Julius on the team? You're paying him $8 million to go away regardless.

 

That's exactly it. If the contract is almost 100% guaranteed, your opportunity cost for getting rid of him is dumb. If you can save substantial money, then it makes a lot of sense.

 

Same thing is going on with Steve Johnson now. Beat writers and (idiot) fans are talking about cutting Steve. This year, if the Bills cut Steve Johnson, they'd save like $100,000, and you take on a hit next year on top of that too. If they cut him next year, they save $8 million. In those instances, you may as well just keep the guy.

[2nd_city_saint787]

That's exactly it. If the contract is almost 100% guaranteed, your opportunity cost for getting rid of him is dumb. If you can save substantial money, then it makes a lot of sense.

 

Same thing is going on with Steve Johnson now. Beat writers and (idiot) fans are talking about cutting Steve. This year, if the Bills cut Steve Johnson, they'd save like $100,000, and you take on a hit next year on top of that too. If they cut him next year, they save $8 million. In those instances, you may as well just keep the guy.

 

9.8M in cap room is substantial cap money.

 

That very well could be enough to upgrade over Peppers, and add another piece to the defense.

[Balta1701]

9.8M in cap room is substantial cap money.

 

That very well could be enough to upgrade over Peppers, and add another piece to the defense.

The problem is...$7.5 million in dead space this year is a lot of money too.

[2nd_city_saint787]

The problem is...$7.5 million in dead space this year is a lot of money too.

 

And? You're not gonna have that either way, but with that 9.8 you can upgrade 2 positions.

 

It's quite simple to me, they need cap space and IMO they need an upgrade over Peppers. This is an absolute no brainier in my book.

 

 

[dasox24]

The problem is...$7.5 million in dead space this year is a lot of money too.

If they cut him after June 1, then the cap hit is only about $4M. That amount of dead space much more manageable. Just something to think about.

Edited January 9, 2014 by dasox24

[Balta1701]

If they cut him after June 1, then the cap hit is only about $4M. That amount of dead space much more manageable. Just something to think about.

But that would leave them unable to spend that money in March when free agency actually opens. They'd get the dregs in June.

[cabiness42]

Gruden is the new Redskins coach.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jay Gruden, that is.

[Kyyle23]

A new puppet for Giappetto! Jay Gruden will get chewed up and spit out

[DukeNukeEm]

But that would leave them unable to spend that money in March when free agency actually opens. They'd get the dregs in June.

Well you have the other June 1 cuts to pick from.

[Balta1701]

Well you have the other June 1 cuts to pick from.

Those guys are rarely worth spending several million dollars on. There's a reason they're being cut at that point - it's that they're not ready for the season or something like that.

[Kyyle23]

Those guys are rarely worth spending several million dollars on. There's a reason they're being cut at that point - it's that they're not ready for the season or something like that.

 

Not necessarily true, many June cuts are made for monetary reasons due to team budgets, not production. Usually a lot of pretty good players are made available at bargain prices

[LittleHurt05]

Alshon Jeffrey(ies) replaces Megatron in the Pro Bowl

[bmags]

But that would leave them unable to spend that money in March when free agency actually opens. They'd get the dregs in June.

 

Well, couldn't you spend the money "set aside" for rookies, knowing you'll clear up the money for their salary after June 1?

 

edit: this is actually a question, I don't know the answer.

Edited January 9, 2014 by bmags

[Balta1701]

Well, couldn't you spend the money "set aside" for rookies, knowing you'll clear up the money for their salary after June 1?

 

edit: this is actually a question, I don't know the answer.

Generally no, I think teams also have to set aside that money before the draft.

[Jake]

9.8M in cap room is substantial cap money.

 

That very well could be enough to upgrade over Peppers, and add another piece to the defense.

 

Right - the question is whether you would rather have an extra 10 million in cap room and no Julius peppers or an extra 8 million in cap room and have Julius Peppers.

 

I was not aware of this June 1 business -- if we're only eating 4 million to send him away, that changes things substantially.

[2nd_city_saint787]

Right - the question is whether you would rather have an extra 10 million in cap room and no Julius peppers or an extra 8 million in cap room and have Julius Peppers.

 

I was not aware of this June 1 business -- if we're only eating 4 million to send him away, that changes things substantially.

 

By lowering his cap number are you just pushing cap problems a year down the road?

 

Edit- nvm, I forgot you brought up a restructered deal of 2/20. If they can actually restructure it that much to where his cap number is on 10M both years I might have to think about it so long as they're still adding another guy like Michael Bennett to the fold or drafting a DE high in the draft. I don't wanna go into next year with Peppers/Wootton as the starting DEs.

Edited January 9, 2014 by scs787

[cabiness42]

By lowering his cap number are you just pushing cap problems a year down the road?

 

We like to call that, "The Congress Method"

 

[dasox24]

By lowering his cap number are you just pushing cap problems a year down the road?

That's correct. It's half the cap hit this year and the other half the next year. Cutting a guy after June 1 allows you to spread the cap hit over a two year span.

[2nd_city_saint787]

That's correct. It's half the cap hit this year and the other half the next year. Cutting a guy after June 1 allows you to spread the cap hit over a two year span.

 

I edited my previous post because I forgot Jake brought up a purposed 2/20 restructured deal for Pep in this hypothetical scenario. IF they can actually restructure that much of the deal into bonus money and his cap hit is only 10M each year I'd have to think about it. 20M in reverted into bonus money just seems insane.

[Balta1701]

I edited my previous post because I forgot Jake brought up a purposed 2/20 restructured deal for Pep in this hypothetical scenario. IF they can actually restructure that much of the deal into bonus money and his cap hit is only 10M each year I'd have to think about it. 20M in reverted into bonus money just seems insane.

There ought to be some way to make this work if the cap hit for cutting him is $7 million. Make it wind up $10 million this year, add in a bit more new money and a slightly smaller cap hit next year and he can call it a career.

[BigSqwert]

Percy Harvin to play on Saturday.