Boogua Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 30, 2013 -> 10:45 AM) let's also remember...if Slausson is going in at LG, he's a huge upgrade over Rachal right out of the gap. The question then winds up being whether Carimi is a real downgrade from Louis. If he is, then they'll need to think about moving someone like Scott there or drafting a RG. The comparison isn't Slausson vs. Louis, its Carimi vs. Louis and Slausson vs. Rachal. A very good point. How amazing would it be if someone like Warmack fell to the Bears (think how decastro fell last year) and we took him? Our OL would be upgraded at every spot outside of center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 QUOTE (Boogua @ Mar 30, 2013 -> 10:51 AM) A very good point. How amazing would it be if someone like Warmack fell to the Bears (think how decastro fell last year) and we took him? Our OL would be upgraded at every spot outside of center. Hell, why not add a center in the 5th or 6th? A guy like Braxton Cave or Joe Madsen could end up being an upgrade over Garza who some have called the worst OC in football the last 2 years. Bushrod-Slausson-Cave-Warmack-Webb/Carimi/Scott. Use your 2nd and 4th on an LB and corner then your other 5th or 6th on a WR or DT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Drafting a top center in round 2 would be a great idea. Then make Garza a guard again and get more flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 QUOTE (knightni @ Mar 30, 2013 -> 01:59 PM) Drafting a top center in round 2 would be a great idea. Then make Garza a guard again and get more flexibility. I'll raise this issue again; it's entirely possible that Garza has reached a point where he'd be terrible if he were moved back to guard. Not only has it been several years since he played there, but his play at center has been trending down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 30, 2013 -> 01:01 PM) I'll raise this issue again; it's entirely possible that Garza has reached a point where he'd be terrible if he were moved back to guard. Not only has it been several years since he played there, but his play at center has been trending down. That's a good point. It's also possible that we will try to get him out of the lineup entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Mar 30, 2013 -> 03:00 PM) That's a good point. It's also possible that we will try to get him out of the lineup entirely. Slausson has played some center before as well, just to note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 For everyone suggesting we draft multiple lineman in the draft, seems to me we now have 8 guys under contract with a high probability of being on the opening day roster: Bushrod Slauson Garza Carimi Scott Webb Williams Brown Honestly, we just need to add one interior lineman in the draft and we should be set for next year. Obviously long-term there are still issues, but this isn't going to be an overnight process. Bushrod definitely helps though and if Carimi and/or Webb can step up this year, we might be in better shape than we all think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 A little bit of NFL news and notes Matt Flynn traded to the Raiders for a 6th round pick. Raiders also signed Tracy Porter to a one year deal Carson Palmer soon to be traded to the Arizona Cardinals Bears have released DT Matt Toaeina and G Nick Peischal. Toaeina was due to make 1.125 million this year and will count as 500k against the 2013 cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 12:37 PM) A little bit of NFL news and notes Matt Flynn traded to the Raiders for a 6th round pick. Raiders also signed Tracy Porter to a one year deal Carson Palmer soon to be traded to the Arizona Cardinals Bears have released DT Matt Toaeina and G Nick Peischal. Toaeina was due to make 1.125 million this year and will count as 500k against the 2013 cap. The Carson Palmer trade to Oakland has to go down as one of the worst in NFL history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 12:43 PM) The Carson Palmer trade to Oakland has to go down as one of the worst in NFL history. Especially considering how much better it made the Bengals. They lost an albatross contract, a severely declining and unhappy quarterback, and gained first rounders and the chance to put their QB of the future in. And he rewarded them with consecutive playoff appearances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 You throw in that wasted 3rd round draft pick for Terrelle Pryor. It's gonna take the Raiders a couple years to even be average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 @RapSheet: Details of Palmer trade: Cardinals get Palmer, send Raiders a cond't 7th in 2014. Teams swap 6th & 7th this year. Raiders move up 43 spots @AdamSchefter: Cardinals QB Carson Palmer agreed to restructured 2-year deal scheduled to pay him $16 million. It also gives Cards an out after one year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 @AdamSchefter: Buccaneers signed former Giants WR Steve Smith and former Chargers K Nate Kaeding, per @PewterReport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 raiders are run poorly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Good god. So to include the 6th and 7th pick to raiders, does anyone have what they fully gave up for 2 years of Palmer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 01:39 PM) Good god. So to include the 6th and 7th pick to raiders, does anyone have what they fully gave up for 2 years of Palmer? From his wiki "the Bengals received Oakland's first-round pick in the 2012 draft and a conditional second-round pick in the 2013 draft, which would have become a first-round pick had the Raiders reached the AFC Championship game in 2011." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 01:48 PM) From his wiki "the Bengals received Oakland's first-round pick in the 2012 draft and a conditional second-round pick in the 2013 draft, which would have become a first-round pick had the Raiders reached the AFC Championship game in 2011." So a '12 1st, '13 2nd, and '13 7th for a year and a half of Carson Palmer, a '13 6th, and a conditional '14 7th (assuming Palmer makes 13 starts for Arizona) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Baller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 03:19 PM) So a '12 1st, '13 2nd, and '13 7th for a year and a half of Carson Palmer, a '13 6th, and a conditional '14 7th (assuming Palmer makes 13 starts for Arizona) That pick in 2012 turned out to be #17, the Bengals drafted CB Dre Kirkpatrick with it. He appears to have missed most of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 02:24 PM) That pick in 2012 turned out to be #17, the Bengals drafted CB Dre Kirkpatrick with it. He appears to have missed most of the season. Eh, lots of guys don't play their first year (for any number of reasons) and then come back and end up being solid. Can't judge that yet. For Bears 1st round offensive lineman, they miss their first year due to injury and then forget how to play football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 02:19 PM) So a '12 1st, '13 2nd, and '13 7th for a year and a half of Carson Palmer, a '13 6th, and a conditional '14 7th (assuming Palmer makes 13 starts for Arizona) Palmers numbers with the Raiders 8-16 record 35 Tds 30 ints 60% completion percentage 43 sacks 9 fumbles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 2012 - Late and Close - 53.2 QBR, 27-45 passing, 312 yards, 0 TD, 3 INT, 1 FumL 2012 - 1st quarter - 67.1 QBR 58-103 passing, 767 yards, 1 TD, 4 INT Sorta backing up what I remember - when the defense was trying, and the score was pretty close, Palmer was pretty terrible. A lot of his numbers came in garbage time, not that it's all his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Also on s***ty QBs, Bills signed Kevin Kolb, 2 years, $13 million. That was also a bad trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 LOL ESPN talking about Urlacher returning to Chicago because George McCaskey left the door open. I'll laugh my ass off if he comes back for $1.5M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 04:00 PM) LOL ESPN talking about Urlacher returning to Chicago because George McCaskey left the door open. I'll laugh my ass off if he comes back for $1.5M If I am emery, 1.5 million becomes the contract after all incentives are met, not the base contract before incentives. Brian isn't worth that right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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