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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 24, 2013 -> 08:22 AM)
This is totally like Spurrier to the NFL. There will be some games where it works perfectly, but there will be other games where Vick/Foles/Barkley throw for 60 yards on 17 completions. I'd be extremely surprised if he makes it 3 full years.

 

People don't even talk about the other college coach who IS going to have success in the NFL. Doug MARRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE

I guess it just depends on whether you believe in the coach's ability to continue to innovate, or if you think the coach just found a system that worked in college and will refuse to adapt.

 

I'd like to think Kelly can use the same ability to innovate in the NFL and find things that do work, rather than trying to force the system he used in college to work in the NFL.

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QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 24, 2013 -> 10:42 AM)
Kelly has been a HC at a higher level than Trestman.

 

I think most believe NCAA > Canadian Football League.

 

But I am not so sure Kelly's offense will translate amazingly to the NFL.

 

That's a bit like believing college baseball is superior to AA baseball. I don't care if they play by different rules, you are still talking about players who are probably in about the 97th percentile with regards to their talent playing in the CFL. It logically does not make sense that NCAA teams would be better than CFL teams.

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Its not so much that. Its college and the pros are completely different. Part of being a college coach is loading your team with more talent than the other team. In college the talent gap can make any coach look amazing.

 

A lot of what Kelly did was to take advantage of the inexperience of college players. He also happened to play mainly PAC teams, which isnt a conference known for defense.

 

The last time they played a SEC team, they scored 13 points prior to the 4th quarter (LSU)

 

The year before they played Auburn and scored 19 points total.

 

In 2009 they scored 8 points against BSU and 17 against OSU.

 

So there is some reason to question just how adaptable he is.

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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 24, 2013 -> 10:59 AM)
That's a bit like believing college baseball is superior to AA baseball. I don't care if they play by different rules, you are still talking about players who are probably in about the 97th percentile with regards to their talent playing in the CFL. It logically does not make sense that NCAA teams would be better than CFL teams.

 

Yeah it does because the players on the top 20 college teams are also in the 97th percentile, if not higher.

 

Alabama isnt going to lose to the Toronto Argonauts. Look at the CFL rosters, they are worse than NCAA rosters.

 

If they werent, then you would see a ton of NFL teams going after CFL guys, instead of signing UFA college guys.

 

There is a reason why not many CFL players make it in the NFL.

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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 24, 2013 -> 08:19 AM)
Jaws is perhaps the most respected game-tape watcher in pro sports, so his opinion is notable.

I wouldn't dispute this, but a few years ago Jaws analyzed each of Cutler's 26 INTs in the previous season and came to the conclusion that all but one (I'm pretty sure it was all but one) was Jay's fault. I know that when I watched the games, the announcers said on several occasions that the receiver fell or didn't run a good route, but Jaws concluded somehow that each INT was Jay's fault. I'm not a Cutler apologist, and I get totally frustrated watching him force balls into coverage, but the idea that 25 of 26 INTs were his fault was laughable when you consider the offensive line and weak bunch of receivers he had prior to Marshall arriving.

 

http://beargoggleson.com/2010/02/12/breaki...-interceptions/

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QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ May 31, 2013 -> 10:23 PM)
I wouldn't dispute this, but a few years ago Jaws analyzed each of Cutler's 26 INTs in the previous season and came to the conclusion that all but one (I'm pretty sure it was all but one) was Jay's fault. I know that when I watched the games, the announcers said on several occasions that the receiver fell or didn't run a good route, but Jaws concluded somehow that each INT was Jay's fault. I'm not a Cutler apologist, and I get totally frustrated watching him force balls into coverage, but the idea that 25 of 26 INTs were his fault was laughable when you consider the offensive line and weak bunch of receivers he had prior to Marshall arriving.

 

http://beargoggleson.com/2010/02/12/breaki...-interceptions/

 

I do recall that. Jay has had some of the worst luck with receivers screwing him into picks -- I have a feeling Jaws' criteria was unless the throw was a perfect idea that turned into a pick, it was Jay's fault.

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QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 03:20 PM)
Bears are working out Jamarcus Russell. Yup

 

Not a big deal honestly. Bring him in a camp on a non-guaranteed deal, if he still sucks, drop him. If he actually shows something, then you can add him to the roster.

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QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 04:49 PM)
Throw in Trent Edwards and Jordan Palmer to the mix as well...Wasn't Edwards decent at one point?

 

For like 8 games, he was a poor man's version of Chad Pennington. Then he got knocked around a bit, and turned into "Captain Checkdown" which was an actual nickname. There's a reason guys end up playing for like 14 different teams, and it's because they're smart enough to be a capable 3rd QB (aka, they can breathe and throw a football) but the idea of him ever being a guy you might have to count on at some point for more than 2 plays is frightening.

 

I hate Trent Edwards as a QB so much, and I loved the pick at the time. He is just a terrible, terrible QB.

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