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QUOTE (iamshack @ Mar 13, 2013 -> 02:04 PM)
I'm expecting Dubya to pop out onto the balcony with a sixer and say "fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice...umm, we can't get fooled again!"

 

And then a shoe gets thrown at him

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I believe this is going to be a lot of firsts.

 

Obviously first new world pope, but it is also basically the first pope outside of Europe that was not born under Roman Empire.

 

It makes sense, South America is one of the last stands for Catholicism.

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QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Mar 13, 2013 -> 05:21 PM)
You wanted a first New World Pope? You get some nice little New World baggage.

The AP is now running forwards with that story. Also seems to include what is the basis of his defense.

At least two cases directly involved Bergoglio. One examined the torture of two of his Jesuit priests -- Orlando Yorio and Francisco Jalics -- who were kidnapped in 1976 from the slums where they advocated liberation theology. Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work. Jalics refused to discuss it after moving into seclusion in a German monastery.

 

Both men were freed after Bergoglio took extraordinary, behind-the-scenes action to save them -- including persuading dictator Jorge Videla's family priest to call in sick so that he could say Mass in the junta leader's home, where he privately appealed for mercy. His intervention likely saved their lives, but Bergoglio never shared the details until Rubin interviewed him for the 2010 biography.

 

Bergoglio -- who ran Argentina's Jesuit order during the dictatorship -- told Rubin that he regularly hid people on church property during the dictatorship, and once gave his identity papers to a man with similar features, enabling him to escape across the border. But all this was done in secret, at a time when church leaders publicly endorsed the junta and called on Catholics to restore their "love for country" despite the terror in the streets.

 

Rubin said failing to challenge the dictators was simply pragmatic at a time when so many people were getting killed, and attributed Bergoglio's later reluctance to share his side of the story as a reflection of his humility.

 

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QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Mar 13, 2013 -> 05:29 PM)
Yeah depends on the slant. Some are saying he was doing things behind the scenes, others seem to think he was complicit.

 

"Don't do as I say, do as I do"

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QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Mar 13, 2013 -> 02:39 PM)
I believe this is going to be a lot of firsts.

 

Obviously first new world pope, but it is also basically the first pope outside of Europe that was not born under Roman Empire.

 

It makes sense, South America is one of the last stands for Catholicism.

Africa and Asia are growing at a greater rate.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 13, 2013 -> 10:21 PM)
The AP is now running forwards with that story. Also seems to include what is the basis of his defense.

 

Just read an article that also included that AP piece and mentioned this in its second last paragraph:

To his credit, Bergoglio has in recent years spearheaded the Argentine Catholic Church's effort to apologize for its collaboration with the military regime, and last October Argentine bishops apologized for their failure to speak out against human rights abuses.

 

Doesn't look like it's clearcut either way. I suppose, we'll see where he goes from here, anyway.

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