shago Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 What owner would you rather play for? Very saavy, cash didn't hurt either. Congratulations Chris, let's hope you become the ultimate smoke show for us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 9, 2013 Author Share Posted March 9, 2013 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Mar 8, 2013 -> 08:09 PM) Seriously, can we bottle what Chris Sale said about his new contract and let the rest of the superstars drink it ? "My dad sat me down, I was talking on the phone and he goes, 'Honestly, take a step back and look at it. What other team would you rather play for? What owner would you rather play for? Coaching staff would you rather play for?' I got everything I want right here." http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...ws&c_id=cws That is pretty amazing in this day and age, especially when you consider that this team has multiple guys who have done exactly this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 9, 2013 -> 07:50 AM) That is pretty amazing in this day and age, especially when you consider that this team has multiple guys who have done exactly this. Just remember JR is a cheap horrible owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 9, 2013 Author Share Posted March 9, 2013 QUOTE (ptatc @ Mar 9, 2013 -> 10:00 AM) Just remember JR is a cheap horrible owner. He must be a hypnotist then to get so many players to take hometown discounts to play here... Sale, Konerko three times, Danks, Peavy, Buehrle for a lot of years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 9, 2013 -> 10:10 AM) He must be a hypnotist then to get so many players to take hometown discounts to play here... Sale, Konerko three times, Danks, Peavy, Buehrle for a lot of years... They may be the only way to explain the behavior of these players to many people on this board. Many of whom are convinced JR is the reason the Sox have not won a World Series in 8 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Facing McCarthy today. https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN/status/3104...2447489/photo/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 9, 2013 -> 11:10 AM) He must be a hypnotist then to get so many players to take hometown discounts to play here... Sale, Konerko three times, Danks, Peavy, Buehrle for a lot of years... This deal wasn't a massive hometown discount. It's a reasonable deal for a kid under 25 to sign. He could blow his elbow out tomorrow, never pitch again, and walk away with $33 million dollars based on 1 really good season as a starter. Maybe he could have talked the team out of another couple million, but that is a real good deal for him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Split squad lineups for Sunday: https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN/status/3104...0601728/photo/1 The Reds game is supposed to be on whitesox.com, so Joey DeMichele may get in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 9, 2013 -> 10:50 AM) This deal wasn't a massive hometown discount. It's a reasonable deal for a kid under 25 to sign. He could blow his elbow out tomorrow, never pitch again, and walk away with $33 million dollars based on 1 really good season as a starter. Maybe he could have talked the team out of another couple million, but that is a real good deal for him too. I've got to be honest, I think Hahn pulled off quite the deal. I read the article on Fangraphs that listed 8 comparable deals and it seems like the Sale deal was better than most and possibly all of them. Minimal salary increase in his final pre-arb year, low prices for the three arbitration years, and an extremely low first free agency year. The salary for those guaranteed years should have been much higher, especially since a lot of those comparable deals are now several years old and the cost of pitching continues to rise. Also, getting two cheap options is incredible. Come on Balta, it's one thing for Sale to forego possible income down the road to lock in some money now, but you're telling me he couldn't have got way more in those two option years? $12.5 million & $13.5 million is what #4 starters will be making in 2018 & 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 9, 2013 -> 12:57 PM) I've got to be honest, I think Hahn pulled off quite the deal. I read the article on Fangraphs that listed 8 comparable deals and it seems like the Sale deal was better than most and possibly all of them. Minimal salary increase in his final pre-arb year, low prices for the three arbitration years, and an extremely low first free agency year. The salary for those guaranteed years should have been much higher, especially since a lot of those comparable deals are now several years old and the cost of pitching continues to rise. Also, getting two cheap options is incredible. Come on Balta, it's one thing for Sale to forego possible income down the road to lock in some money now, but you're telling me he couldn't have got way more in those two option years? $12.5 million & $13.5 million is what #4 starters will be making in 2018 & 2019. Chris Sale could have easily gotten more money in the latter years, but to do that, he'd have to go through the normal arbitration and free agency process, where none of the money is guaranteed. Through normal arbitration, it would take him 2 to 3 seasons to earn this much. He'd be minimum salary this year, $10 million or so next year, $14 million or so the next year, and then closer to $20 million in the 4th year. Basically he traded a guaranteed salary for an early arrival at free agency. If you're a player with any worry about injury risk, and you're content with where you are, it's the right move. If he had any injury, then he might never earn that $30 million since it wouldn't get there until the 4th season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 9, 2013 -> 12:38 PM) Chris Sale could have easily gotten more money in the latter years, but to do that, he'd have to go through the normal arbitration and free agency process, where none of the money is guaranteed. Through normal arbitration, it would take him 2 to 3 seasons to earn this much. He'd be minimum salary this year, $10 million or so next year, $14 million or so the next year, and then closer to $20 million in the 4th year. Basically he traded a guaranteed salary for an early arrival at free agency. If you're a player with any worry about injury risk, and you're content with where you are, it's the right move. If he had any injury, then he might never earn that $30 million since it wouldn't get there until the 4th season. I'm not saying he shouldn't have done the deal. I'm saying he probably have gotten more if pushed harder. Based on his comments, I don't think he was looking to milk every dollar out of us. Sounds like he just wanted to get a deal done quickly. I think Hahn would have been willing to go higher, especially with those option years. Edited March 9, 2013 by Chicago White Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy esposito Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 9, 2013 -> 01:20 PM) I'm not saying he shouldn't have done the deal. I'm saying he probably have gotten more if pushed harder. Based on his comments, I don't think he was looking to milk every dollar out of us. Sounds like he just wanted to get a deal done quickly. I think Hahn would have been willing to go higher, especially with those option years. if i wAs a pitcher with his form in the majors i think Sale made a great contract. Sale can go the next six years almost worry free. If he makes it through the contract years without injury pitching like he did the last two years he could be very well paid in his 7th year when he is in free agency but he also has a guarantee if anything happens with his arm he has a great insurance policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 9, 2013 Author Share Posted March 9, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 9, 2013 -> 10:50 AM) This deal wasn't a massive hometown discount. It's a reasonable deal for a kid under 25 to sign. He could blow his elbow out tomorrow, never pitch again, and walk away with $33 million dollars based on 1 really good season as a starter. Maybe he could have talked the team out of another couple million, but that is a real good deal for him too. Look at the Lincecum deal which was double this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 9, 2013 Author Share Posted March 9, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 9, 2013 -> 11:57 AM) I've got to be honest, I think Hahn pulled off quite the deal. I read the article on Fangraphs that listed 8 comparable deals and it seems like the Sale deal was better than most and possibly all of them. Minimal salary increase in his final pre-arb year, low prices for the three arbitration years, and an extremely low first free agency year. The salary for those guaranteed years should have been much higher, especially since a lot of those comparable deals are now several years old and the cost of pitching continues to rise. Also, getting two cheap options is incredible. Come on Balta, it's one thing for Sale to forego possible income down the road to lock in some money now, but you're telling me he couldn't have got way more in those two option years? $12.5 million & $13.5 million is what #4 starters will be making in 2018 & 2019. If he had gotten those last two years as promised money instead of option years, this would still be a good deal by Hahn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 So what happened today? Lotta runs by both teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Mar 9, 2013 -> 05:40 PM) So what happened today? Lotta runs by both teams Thornton got ripped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 10, 2013 Author Share Posted March 10, 2013 QUOTE (Brian @ Mar 9, 2013 -> 05:59 PM) Thornton got ripped They said he was only throwing 90-92 on the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 9, 2013 -> 06:11 PM) They said he was only throwing 90-92 on the gun. I hope he keeps the heart-breaking to a minimum this year. No Detroit for MT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 10, 2013 Author Share Posted March 10, 2013 Tommy Viola @Tommy_the_V In a combined 15.2 IP this spring, Axelrod, Omogrosso, & Stewart haven't allowed an earned run. #WhiteSox #SpringTraining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Tommy Viola @Tommy_the_V In a combined 15.2 IP this spring, Axelrod, Omogrosso, & Stewart haven't allowed an earned run. #WhiteSox #SpringTraining So Charlotte is going to be awesome this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Dumb question, maybe, but what happened to Aaron Poreda? Why didn't he become anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 QUOTE (Gregory Pratt @ Mar 13, 2013 -> 12:04 AM) Dumb question, maybe, but what happened to Aaron Poreda? Why didn't he become anything? He started sucking after he got traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 QUOTE (Gregory Pratt @ Mar 13, 2013 -> 12:04 AM) Dumb question, maybe, but what happened to Aaron Poreda? Why didn't he become anything? Pratt?!?! Where the hell have you been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 QUOTE (Gregory Pratt @ Mar 13, 2013 -> 12:04 AM) Dumb question, maybe, but what happened to Aaron Poreda? Why didn't he become anything? He was a high ceiling guy that had a ton of growth needed. It never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 13, 2013 -> 07:37 AM) He was a high ceiling guy that had a ton of growth needed. It never happened. He and Sale had some similarities on draft day. Then all the similarities stopped. Very surprising to me that no one could make Poreda a LOOGY at worst, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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