ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) When did Blown Saves start to get awarded to relievers who give up the lead prior to the 9th inning? I noticed Ryan Matthues was given a BLOWN SAVE a couple days ago when he allowed a run in the 7th inning. Wouldn't that be more like a Blown Hold or something? Is it really assuming he would have pitched the final 3 innings of the game? But in the case of David Robertson, he was given a BS when he came in to a game with 7 1/3 outs already completed, so he wouldn't have pitched the final 3 innings, because there were only 2 2/3 IP left in a 9-inning game. And Uehara of KC got a blown save for allowing a run in the 8th. Is this normal??? Edited April 23, 2013 by Chilihead90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Apr 22, 2013 -> 10:59 PM) When did Blown Saves start to get awarded to relievers who give up the lead prior to the 9th inning? I noticed Ryan Matthues was given a BLOWN SAVE a couple days ago when he allowed a run in the 7th inning. Wouldn't that be more like a Blown Hold or something? Is it really assuming he would have pitched the final 3 innings of the game? But in the case of David Robertson, he was given a BS when he came in to a game with 7 1/3 outs already completed, so he wouldn't have pitched the final 3 innings, because there were only 2 2/3 IP left in a 9-inning game. And Uehara of KC got a blown save for allowing a run in the 8th. Is this normal??? Starts in any "save situation" from the 7th inning on...that's why Matt Thornton had lots of them in the past couple of years, even if they were in the 7th and usually 8th inning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 02:07 AM) Starts in any "save situation" from the 7th inning on...that's why Matt Thornton had lots of them in the past couple of years, even if they were in the 7th and usually 8th inning. I guess I never consider a reliever can pitch the 8th and 9th innings and get the save. So accustomed to saves of 3 or less outs that it's weird to see a blown save given to a middle reliever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 22, 2013 -> 10:01 AM) Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 1h The career line of Mario Mendoza, considered the worst hitter ever .215/.245/.262. Through 19 games, the Marlins as a team: .212/.271/.286. Mario Mendoza is not the worst hitter ever. So irritating to consistently hear such nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 The "Dunn Line" isn't too far behind... ATTACK THE BLOCK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 01:35 AM) I guess I never consider a reliever can pitch the 8th and 9th innings and get the save. So accustomed to saves of 3 or less outs that it's weird to see a blown save given to a middle reliever. The worst is when people quote blown save stats for middle relievers. Almost of their appearances, they can't get a save, but they can get a blown save. It tells you nothing. Edited April 23, 2013 by LittleHurt05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 QUOTE (Knuckles @ Apr 22, 2013 -> 07:24 PM) Remember when Red Sox and Yankees were suppose to suck? And look at this lineup the Yankees threw out there last night: Brett Gardner CF Ben Francisco DH Robinson Cano 2B Vernon Wells LF Francisco Cervelli C Brennan Boesch RF Eduardo Nunez SS Lyle Overbay 1B Jayson Nix 3B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Vernon Wells is hot for now and Hafner looks to be back on the juice...I mean back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 QUOTE (Knuckles @ Apr 22, 2013 -> 08:24 PM) Remember when Red Sox and Yankees were suppose to suck? Remember when the Royals were running away with the AL in April that one year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 08:53 AM) Remember when the Royals were running away with the AL in April that one year? Balta I know it's early, still amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 06:26 AM) The worst is when people quote blown save stats for middle relievers. Almost of their appearances, they can't get a save, but they can get a blown save. It tells you nothing. Well, it tells you that they gave up the lead. A save doesn't really tell much either except that the pitcher made the last out of the game. Edited April 23, 2013 by Leonard Zelig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 11:41 AM) Well, it tells you that they gave up the lead. A save doesn't really tell much either except that the pitcher made the last out of the game. I agree, but I should have specified that I was referring to blown save percentage stats. Jesse Crain has 4 career saves and 23 blown saves, that doesn't mean he only converts 14.8% of the time. If you add in his 109 holds, that makes him 113/136 (83.1%), which tells you much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 Comiskey Park Hitmen @CPHSox 6m Former #WhiteSox Pitchers starting today: Bartolo Colon for the A's, Jon Garland for the Rockies and Clayton Richard for the Padres. FYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 02:14 PM) Comiskey Park Hitmen @CPHSox 6m Former #WhiteSox Pitchers starting today: Bartolo Colon for the A's, Jon Garland for the Rockies and Clayton Richard for the Padres. FYI. Sweaty Freddy is facing Charlotte tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Comiskey Park Hitmen @CPHSox 6m Former #WhiteSox Pitchers starting today: Bartolo Colon for the A's, Jon Garland for the Rockies and Clayton Richard for the Padres. FYI. One of these days, I need to head down the street and check out Mike MacDougal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors 6m Billingsley To Undergo Tommy John Surgery http://bit.ly/11KUW0e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 QUOTE (qwerty @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 01:55 AM) Mario Mendoza is not the worst hitter ever. So irritating to consistently hear such nonsense. Yeah, come on, Passan should understand the definition and implications of the Mendoza line. I really don't like Passan the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHAH Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 03:40 PM) MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors 6m Billingsley To Undergo Tommy John Surgery http://bit.ly/11KUW0e i could so see this happening AT the trade deadline; Floyd (to repleace billingsley), lexi because they need a SS/3B badly (even after hanley comes back Cruz is horrible), matty T, FOR Corey Seager what say you? dogers say yes? or no way they give up seager for that package? Dodgers can take all the salary without worry and in complete win now mode Edited April 23, 2013 by bshah723 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 If the Sox are giving up that much, they need to get someone who is a little more established than Corey Seager, and I don't know that the Dodgers want to give up on their high school draftee one year after drafting him. The Sox and Dodgers would definitely be a fit down the road, if it comes to that, but I think you're looking at different prospects. Colletti definitely has no problem trading away prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 04:36 PM) If the Sox are giving up that much, they need to get someone who is a little more established than Corey Seager, and I don't know that the Dodgers want to give up on their high school draftee one year after drafting him. The Sox and Dodgers would definitely be a fit down the road, if it comes to that, but I think you're looking at different prospects. Colletti definitely has no problem trading away prospects. The Dodgers also make great sense as a trade target because with all the high dollar vets they brought in, they have to be blocking some kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Charlie Leesman chose free agency over the Rangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHAH Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 04:36 PM) If the Sox are giving up that much, they need to get someone who is a little more established than Corey Seager, and I don't know that the Dodgers want to give up on their high school draftee one year after drafting him. The Sox and Dodgers would definitely be a fit down the road, if it comes to that, but I think you're looking at different prospects. Colletti definitely has no problem trading away prospects. zach LEEEEEE but with the emergence of guys like johnson, snod, beck, we def need some hitting prospects (esp INF) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHAH Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 04:41 PM) The Dodgers also make great sense as a trade target because with all the high dollar vets they brought in, they have to be blocking some kids. good, when they continue to hover around .500 lets take as much as we can from them sects wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Wainwright dealing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Marmol blew another save, yeeeesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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