fathom Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 27, 2013 -> 09:40 PM) So they're going to be contending in 2015 and at the end of 2013 only 1 of those prospects on the list has made AA? The 3 guys in A-ball this year are going to polish off AA and AAA next year and be ready to contribute to the big league roster? I assume that means they're trading at least 3 of those guys then. Bryant and Baez will almost definitely be in the majors by 2015. Personally, I'll be shocked if they don't trade a few of their guys to try and get a top-tiered MLB pitcher. I think McDaniel has Almora way too high and Baez way too low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 27, 2013 -> 03:44 PM) Bryant and Baez will almost definitely be in the majors by 2015. Personally, I'll be shocked if they don't trade a few of their guys to try and get a top-tiered MLB pitcher. I think McDaniel has Almora way too high and Baez way too low. Being in the majors and producing at a level that makes your team contenders are vastly different. The 2015 idea is with no learning curve for the younger players. They have no young pitching in the pipeline therefore they need to acquire it. Also minor league rankings are worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 27, 2013 Author Share Posted August 27, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 27, 2013 -> 03:37 PM) 2015 is the year they're looking to start contending from all accounts. They have 4 of the top 21 prospects in baseball according to Kiley McDaniel...ouch http://sbb.scout.com/2/1320072.html The first wave of guys is starting to stagnate. That isn't good if you want to compete in 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 27, 2013 -> 04:07 PM) The first wave of guys is starting to stagnate. That isn't good if you want to compete in 2 years. The other consideration is that these guys CAN stagnate, but so long as someone believes they are still a rising star, they will still have value and they can still capitalize on that value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 27, 2013 -> 05:27 PM) The other consideration is that these guys CAN stagnate, but so long as someone believes they are still a rising star, they will still have value and they can still capitalize on that value. But if they want to compete in 2015, the only way they're going to turn that value into performance on the field is to trade most, if not all of these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Shin Soo Choo will fix it, guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 27, 2013 -> 04:29 PM) But if they want to compete in 2015, the only way they're going to turn that value into performance on the field is to trade most, if not all of these guys. You are smelling what I am cooking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 27, 2013 -> 04:29 PM) But if they want to compete in 2015, the only way they're going to turn that value into performance on the field is to trade most, if not all of these guys. Exactly. You need the first wave to be successful, otherwise now you are looking at 2016, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 (edited) Cubs got Daniel Bard off waivers and Theo waive his other Red Sox project Michael Bowden today. Edited September 4, 2013 by Soxfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Andrew Cashner with the one - hit shutout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 16, 2013 -> 08:55 PM) Andrew Cashner with the one - hit shutout Faced the minimum and threw 97 pitches. That trade and the eventual extension of rizzo, if Cashner stays healthy could look really bad for Theo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 16, 2013 -> 11:31 PM) Faced the minimum and threw 97 pitches. That trade and the eventual extension of rizzo, if Cashner stays healthy could look really bad for Theo. ...but Theo is god! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 17, 2013 -> 12:31 AM) Faced the minimum and threw 97 pitches. That trade and the eventual extension of rizzo, if Cashner stays healthy could look really bad for Theo. LOL, that's the kind of post that makes me want to find some of the Rizzo praise posts (and yes, I've joined in San Diego for ridicule on that trade as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I still think Rizzo will be fine, but you are right, the results have been much, much better than anticipated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 16, 2013 -> 11:31 PM) Faced the minimum and threw 97 pitches. That trade and the eventual extension of rizzo, if Cashner stays healthy could look really bad for Theo. That's a pretty big if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 17, 2013 -> 09:20 AM) That's a pretty big if. Sure which is why that trade looked so lopsided toward the cubs, I was one of the bigger dolts saying that the cubs ripped off the Padres because Rizzo was certain to be an all-star. I never thought Cashner would be and stay healthy. If he does, wow does that trade along with moving Archer look like moves that set the cub back further. I understand that Archer was a move that was made in the win now mode and Garza did help them out but it was a move that they are paying for now. Which would be very similar to the Hudson move had he not gotten hurt. Hudson and Sale would be a very formidable front end rotation for a rebuilding team as would Cashner and Archer. Oddly Cashner is pitching well and Hudson is struggling to get healthy. Finally, Daytona winning the A league title made the morning updates on the SCORE but I did not hear about the Barons title... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Cubs are going to win one or two more games this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 You have to think that Rizzo and Castros regression this season really has to give Theo pause going forward. These two were supposed to be the first cornerstones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 18, 2013 -> 08:03 PM) You have to think that Rizzo and Castros regression this season really has to give Theo pause going forward. These two were supposed to be the first cornerstones Rebuilding hardly ever goes smoothly. Even the can't miss usually give you reason to worry. If they want to blame Sveum for that, that would be silly. They may snap back, and the Cubs may change managers, but if that happens and they give the new manager total credit, it would be way off IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfanman Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 19, 2013 -> 09:11 AM) Rebuilding hardly ever goes smoothly. Even the can't miss usually give you reason to worry. If they want to blame Sveum for that, that would be silly. They may snap back, and the Cubs may change managers, but if that happens and they give the new manager total credit, it would be way off IMO. Which is why all this talk about Baez, Bryant and others is way premature. The Cubs may have a great team in a few years because of all these draft picks. Odds are maybe one or two of them will be average to good major league ball players. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 It's funny because just last week I was thinking who the next distraction "Savior" will be for the Cubs, and wouldn't you know it Giraddi's (sp?) name is now being thrown around. Shiny object for Cubs fans to focus on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 26, 2013 Author Share Posted September 26, 2013 Cubs attendance went from 2,882,756 in 2012 to 2,642,682, their lowest figure since 1998. They were over 3 million in from 2004 to 2011. Pretty soon they won't even have their attendance trophy to hang their hats on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 The decision on Sveum is coming Monday. It seems to me evaluating the last 3 games of the season is pretty silly. They know what the deal is. You would think if he is coming back they would just say so. The evidence points to a new manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 08:32 AM) The decision on Sveum is coming Monday. It seems to me evaluating the last 3 games of the season is pretty silly. They know what the deal is. You would think if he is coming back they would just say so. The evidence points to a new manager. Waiting until they can admit whether they've been talking to Girardi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 What a joke. What should Sweum be fired for? For not losing enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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