Balta1701 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 5, 2013 -> 05:48 PM) That would quickly result in a military coup. His power exists because the military supports him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Right, so why does anyone take that bozo seriously anyway? Why doesn't the head of the military take over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Why bother? They're doing fine right now without initiating a power struggle that could fracture the government, as Obama hoped would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 5, 2013 -> 04:42 PM) Which is crap because we still don't do direct diplomacy and haven't for a long time. It's pretty simple - we talked and they balked, we stopped talking and they balked. At the end of the day they keep providing weapons/training to terrorist groups and continue building their nuclear capabilities and we don't do anything about it but give them MORE money/food/oil whatever. Well, we were in the 90's and it appeared to work very, very well into Bush came in with his terrible "axis of evil" stuff and, of course, the invasion of Iraq. After that sort of rhetoric and action, wouldn't you begin making it as costly as possible for the US to invade if you were the DPRK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 5, 2013 -> 04:52 PM) Right, so why does anyone take that bozo seriously anyway? Why doesn't the head of the military take over? Its hard to explain but Asia countries seem to fall into "cult of personality" traps. In NK it derives from 1 man, Kim Il-Sung, the eternal president of NK. Basically many NKers would revolt against the Army if they went against the heir to Kim Il-Sung. The military at this point have no people to really prop up against them. If anything, they would need a war, to create a new "cultural hero", so maybe that is the reason we are here today. A general needs some victories to create his NK myth. Its just like Marcos in the Philippines where they create completely unsubstantiated myths to create a god like President that cant be questioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 5, 2013 -> 05:52 PM) Right, so why does anyone take that bozo seriously anyway? Why doesn't the head of the military take over? One of the tricks leaders use in those types of countries is keeping any military leader from getting too much power so that no single person can take over. The brainwashing helps make sure many stay in line/loyal as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 5, 2013 -> 05:10 PM) One of the tricks leaders use in those types of countries is keeping any military leader from getting too much power so that no single person can take over. The brainwashing helps make sure many stay in line/loyal as well. But almost everyone of these countries was taken over by a military leader, so it really doesnt work well. If you look at Thailand they basically swapped military coups back and forth. The real reason is that NK has spent the last 60 years propping up Il-Sung as basically a deity, so it would be really difficult for any military commander to usurp that, unless they have their own origin story. Without any sort of military conflict, you cant really create the necessary history to prop up someone, without the threat of the entire country falling to shambles. (edit) Here is an article about his worship: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...ked-so-far.html Edited April 5, 2013 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 5, 2013 -> 04:04 PM) He's not here right now for family reasons, but since I already went on this rant a few pages ago and got the "Take off the D/R blinders", someone has to give you your lecture as well. You realize that proves they had a nuclear program in 1994 to shutdown, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 5, 2013 -> 10:45 PM) You realize that proves they had a nuclear program in 1994 to shutdown, right? When did I ever say they didn't? They obviously did, plutonium doesn't appear magically. That was why there was an agreement in the first place and why there needed to be UN monitoring of their plutonium stash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 They were trying to shut down the nuclear program before if was known to be a nuclear program, I didn't know that was really a secret or anything. That was the whole point of the negotiations the Bush administration was doing in 2006 although its kind of odd how the press at the time was talking about it like it was something new. It's just more evidence that the foreign policy in the early 2000s was an unmitigated disaster in pretty much all fronts, and this is relevant today because foreign policy is something that happens in a linear way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 The Internet is Not Afraid of Kim Jong Un Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Apr 7, 2013 -> 09:38 AM) The Internet is Not Afraid of Kim Jong Un This was my favorite that wasn't in that link: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 "North Korea has lined up nuclear weapons, pointing towards the United States. Take this as a stern warning, MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN!" -Seth Meyers on SNL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Apr 7, 2013 -> 08:46 AM) This was my favorite that wasn't in that link: i f***ing love ths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 QUOTE (Brian @ Apr 7, 2013 -> 11:35 AM) "North Korea has lined up nuclear weapons, pointing towards the United States. Take this as a stern warning, MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN!" -Seth Meyers on SNL I feel like my memory of the pacific ocean seems to include something useful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That funky motion Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 A friend of mine responded to that picture on Facebook, "war mongler??" It should be warmonger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 7, 2013 -> 07:52 PM) A friend of mine responded to that picture on Facebook, "war mongler??" It should be warmonger shh you're ruining it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 7, 2013 -> 07:52 PM) A friend of mine responded to that picture on Facebook, "war mongler??" It should be warmonger Unless he is trying to make the joke that he looks like the Hamburgler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 North Korea tells foreigners to leave South Korea. This is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Apr 9, 2013 -> 05:14 PM) North Korea tells foreigners to leave South Korea. This is bad. Not sure if you're serious or not but this is pure saber rattling. They are just upping to the nth degree. North Korea knows they are isolated and not even China will help them if they do something stupid. Edited April 9, 2013 by pettie4sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Apr 9, 2013 -> 05:40 PM) Not sure if you're serious or not but this is pure saber rattling. They are just upping to the nth degree. North Korea knows they are isolated and not even China will help them if they do something stupid. Semi-serious. I can see Kim firing on South Korea because he is bats*** insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Nah he wants to stay in power. The only way this happens is if in NK there is some sort of internal power struggle, where one faction needs to do something to get over with the people. Otherwise dictators almost always prefer status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 9, 2013 -> 05:48 PM) Nah he wants to stay in power. The only way this happens is if in NK there is some sort of internal power struggle, where one faction needs to do something to get over with the people. Otherwise dictators almost always prefer status quo. The biggest danger is that he believes his own BS. I doubt he does, and like I said earlier, I think he is trying to prove himself and to get some concessions on the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 9, 2013 -> 05:50 PM) The biggest danger is that he believes his own BS. I doubt he does, and like I said earlier, I think he is trying to prove himself and to get some concessions on the side. The reason I dont think he believes his own BS is that he studied outside of NK, and for the most part had access to western stuff etc. I think this is a reaction to China backing off their support. Basically NK has to act even crazier now because without China they have so little leverage and they know that the noose is going to tighten very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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