Quin Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Did someone just seriously show surprise toward and call out Steve being articulately vulgar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 14, 2013 Author Share Posted March 14, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 14, 2013 -> 07:38 AM) Did someone just seriously show surprise toward and call out Steve being articulately vulgar? I'd be more surprised if he wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 14, 2013 -> 07:02 AM) We do seem to have a knack for players coming back from the dead. Maybe we should sign Darryl Kile for some rotation depth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Caminiti for 3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 13, 2013 -> 11:56 PM) Or after his bad/inconsistent 2004, where Paul Konerko was ranked coming into 2005, etc. You need to review your years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 14, 2013 -> 07:37 AM) What does Master Splinter think of 2013 shortstops This made me giggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 14, 2013 -> 08:09 AM) You need to review your years. Konerko was done and needed to be released in 2003. If you listened to Soxtalk, he needed to be gone after his age 32 season in 2008. Wrong side of 30, declined a few straight years. Since then he's only averaged about 30 homers 100 rbi and a .380 OBP. Ramirez has his flaws, but its not inconceivable to believe he could do better offensively than last season. A rookie as the replacement isn't going to do any better, and if his contract is so terrible, wouldn't you think other teams that actually would have to pay it would think the same thing? The problem with many posts when getting rid of players is they say so and so sucks, trade him and get back some great prospects. In what world do bad players owed a lot of money net you good prospects? One big concern I have with Ramirez is his age. We really don't know if his listed age is accurate. I would think it's almost impossible to 100% verify a Cuban refugee's age. If he's several years older than listed, the downward trend would be harder to snap. If he's 31 or 32, I would think there would be some sort of rebound to get close to a .725 OPS. Edited March 14, 2013 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 14, 2013 -> 09:46 AM) Konerko was done and needed to be released in 2003. Check his years. He said Konerko's inconsistent "2004" season. He hit 40 HR and drove in 100+ runs in 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 14, 2013 -> 08:48 AM) Check his years. He said Konerko's inconsistent "2004" season. He hit 40 HR and drove in 100+ runs in 2004. I know. He was off a year. Paulie wasn't too popular in 2003. Talk radio was abuzz with calls for his release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 For that matter, NOBODY would or could have reasonably predicted that Iguchi, Dye (coming off a major injury), AJ or Pods (also coming off a downward trend and "prematurely aging" with all the pounding from his minor league stolen base numbers) would have played as they did in 2005. I just find it hard to write off Alexei Ramirez based on one season where he still drove in 70+ runs. Alphonso Soriano rebounded offensively last year and how old does everyone believe he actually is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 14, 2013 -> 09:58 AM) For that matter, NOBODY would or could have reasonably predicted that Iguchi, Dye (coming off a major injury), AJ or Pods (also coming off a downward trend and "prematurely aging" with all the pounding from his minor league stolen base numbers) would have played as they did in 2005. I just find it hard to write off Alexei Ramirez based on one season where he still drove in 70+ runs. Alphonso Soriano rebounded offensively last year and how old does everyone believe he actually is? I find it funny how people are b****ing about a player who plays a position where offense production was never an issue by traditional baseball standards. We seem to follow this same cycle since production could be far better at 3rd, 2nd and DH. It's like blaming a punter for his lack of tackles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteward Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) "Is this list heading into the 2012 season or 2013? Reyes is listed with Miami" Neither. As the posts states the ratings were predicated "on their performance up to this season". The 2013 season has not started yet so I'm not sure I understand what you are talking about. Reyes played on the Marlins in 2012. Edited March 14, 2013 by southside_hitman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Mar 14, 2013 -> 02:25 PM) I find it funny how people are b****ing about a player who plays a position where offense production was never an issue by traditional baseball standards. We seem to follow this same cycle since production could be far better at 3rd, 2nd and DH. It's like blaming a punter for his lack of tackles. Part of this comes from many of the posters here "grew up" in the steroid area of baseball. This means everybody should have 15-20 HRs and a slugging% of 450-500. They really don't remember the time when SS,2B and CF commonly were defense first and a 260 ave. was commonplace. Not that the standards should be lowered as players have gotten better over the years. It's just that the value of that type of player isn't recognized as much. With defensive metrics beginning to catch up with offensive metrics this may start to change some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 QUOTE (ptatc @ Mar 14, 2013 -> 01:35 PM) Part of this comes from many of the posters here "grew up" in the steroid area of baseball. This means everybody should have 15-20 HRs and a slugging% of 450-500. They really don't remember the time when SS,2B and CF commonly were defense first and a 260 ave. was commonplace. Not that the standards should be lowered as players have gotten better over the years. It's just that the value of that type of player isn't recognized as much. With defensive metrics beginning to catch up with offensive metrics this may start to change some. Blame it all on that AL group of shortstops in the late 90's....Nomar, Jeter, A-Rod and Tejada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 14, 2013 -> 04:04 PM) Blame it all on that AL group of shortstops in the late 90's....Nomar, Jeter, A-Rod and Tejada. At least 1/2 of which were juiced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Mar 14, 2013 -> 02:25 PM) I find it funny how people are b****ing about a player who plays a position where offense production was never an issue by traditional baseball standards. We seem to follow this same cycle since production could be far better at 3rd, 2nd and DH. It's like blaming a punter for his lack of tackles. If the punter were owed the 5th most money on the team . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Mar 14, 2013 -> 02:28 PM) If the punter were owed the 5th most money on the team . . . Dunn $15.0 million Peavy $14.5 million Danks $14.25 million Konerko $13.5 Rios $12.5 Floyd $9.5 Ramirez $7.0 million Thornton $5.5 million Crain $4.5 million And yet Ramirez's contract is the biggest issue on the team. Sure. Keep thinking that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Mar 14, 2013 -> 04:28 PM) If the punter were owed the 5th most money on the team . . . The analogy is that you can't use the same metric to determine the worth of every player. Not that SS and punters are of equal value. A good defensive SS with a decent bat should command a fairly high salary. Whether his bat is still decent has yet to be determined, but the "punter getting the 5th most on the team" thing doesn't fly, because punter and SS are non-equivalent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 14, 2013 -> 10:44 PM) Dunn $15.0 million Peavy $14.5 million Danks $14.25 million Konerko $13.5 Rios $12.5 Floyd $9.5 Ramirez $7.0 million Thornton $5.5 million Crain $4.5 million And yet Ramirez's contract is the biggest issue on the team. Sure. Keep thinking that. Ramirez is owed $27M or roughly thereabout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Mar 14, 2013 -> 11:40 PM) The analogy is that you can't use the same metric to determine the worth of every player. Not that SS and punters are of equal value. A good defensive SS with a decent bat should command a fairly high salary. Whether his bat is still decent has yet to be determined, but the "punter getting the 5th most on the team" thing doesn't fly, because punter and SS are non-equivalent. Tackles for punters doesn't equate to good fielding shortstops who aren't good offensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Ramirez hit so badly last year almost solely because of poor pitch selection. That's something he can definitely improve upon -- I don't think his failure was due to declining athleticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Mar 15, 2013 -> 05:02 PM) Ramirez hit so badly last year almost solely because of poor pitch selection. That's something he can definitely improve upon -- I don't think his failure was due to declining athleticism. I was just surprised because I thoguht the oddly warm April and May would lead to better #s for the season for him. But clearly that did not pan out. Maybe the cold just doesn't matter, people just start slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Mar 15, 2013 -> 11:57 AM) Ramirez is owed $27M or roughly thereabout. Wow, he's owed $27 million over 1 year? We made him the highest paid player in baseball? You're right that is insane. That's almost impossible to believe. So impossible to believe that one might read it and think you're leaving out an important detail somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 15, 2013 -> 11:20 AM) Wow, he's owed $27 million over 1 year? We made him the highest paid player in baseball? You're right that is insane. That's almost impossible to believe. So impossible to believe that one might read it and think you're leaving out an important detail somewhere. He's owed $27M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Mar 15, 2013 -> 12:29 PM) He's owed $27M. Remarkable. I can't believe KW made him the highest paid player in baseball and still kept his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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