MEANS Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Did anybody else notice a small change to the stripe on our road grey pants? It's now a very thin black stripe, where last year it was a thicker black and white stripe, similar in size to the cuffs on the jersey sleeves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 10, 2013 Author Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 9, 2013 -> 11:26 PM) One of the hardest things for me to do is convince people who look only at errors and FPCT that Alexei is an elite defender. Yes, you make like 20 errors but your range gets you to 200 more attempts, which obviously have a much higher degree of difficulty to make a putout. People don't really listen though. "But so and so had less errors, what are you talking about" You'd think you wouldn't have to explain this to someone who actually gets advanced stats though. Luis Aparicio is considered to be among the best defensive shortstops of all time. Look at how many errors he made. I'm obviously agreeing with you, just saying that you don't get to that point without being really f***ing good. Edited April 10, 2013 by witesoxfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Apr 10, 2013 -> 06:00 AM) CARLOS SANCHEZ I doubt it if it's only a few days. Plus we have others who can step in. I never thought Sanchez was ready for the show just yet anyway. He needs to play every day and develop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Full column-length piece at ESPN basically featuring "Paul Konerko talking about hitting". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 .278 OBP. Last in the AL---and that includes the Astros. Fire Walker...oh wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 07:46 AM) .278 OBP. Last in the AL---and that includes the Astros. Fire Walker...oh wait. Almost every team goes through an 8-game stretch like that during the season. Just so happens the Sox did it during the first 8 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 08:45 AM) Almost every team goes through an 8-game stretch like that during the season. Just so happens the Sox did it during the first 8 games I'll give you that. But the fear that this team just makes too many outs to be a serious contender haven't been disproved yet. I like to evaluate the team every 27 games. We'll see where we are at the end of the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 11, 2013 Author Share Posted April 11, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 08:45 AM) Almost every team goes through an 8-game stretch like that during the season. Just so happens the Sox did it during the first 8 games They've also faced Shields, Felix, Iwakuma, Gonzalez, and Zimmerman, as well as Jeremy Guthrie who may as well be Christy Mathewson against the White Sox. They've faced some really, really good pitching. The fact that they're 4-4 is, quite frankly, a surprise in its own right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 11, 2013 Author Share Posted April 11, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 08:49 AM) I'll give you that. But the fear that this team just makes too many outs to be a serious contender haven't been disproved yet. I like to evaluate the team every 27 games. We'll see where we are at the end of the month. That's probably a pretty good sample size - a lot better than 8 games anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 07:49 AM) I'll give you that. But the fear that this team just makes too many outs to be a serious contender haven't been disproved yet. I like to evaluate the team every 27 games. We'll see where we are at the end of the month. Over the course of a season, though, there are too many hitters (Viceido, Keppinger, Ramirez, Beckham and Flowers) who just aren't likely to get on base as much as the offense will need to to operate without being overly dependent on home runs, which this team will certainly hit a good share of. There are older players as well in this lineup (Konerko, Dunn) who may begin a slow decline so I think there's a ton of pressure on the pitching staff to hold opposing teams down. Barring health issues, I do expect the top 3 (Sale, Peavy and Floyd) do hold up with some blemishes, but the bottom of that rotation could be a gas can. It's hard for me to see how this team out-performs last year's without unexpected play from some of the offense and the backend of the pitching staff surprising me (I do like the bullpen a lot). I see this team finishing somewhere in the 80 win area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 07:53 AM) They've also faced Shields, Felix, Iwakuma, Gonzalez, and Zimmerman, as well as Jeremy Guthrie who may as well be Christy Mathewson against the White Sox. They've faced some really, really good pitching. The fact that they're 4-4 is, quite frankly, a surprise in its own right. That is a good point although 2 of the 3 teams that they have played (although the Royals have dominated the White Sox and many like them as a sleeper) our teams that most people on this board probably see as inferior to the White Sox. Also, in 8 or 9 games, every team has seen a #1 or #2 now in about half of those games, although the quality of some team's top starters in not always high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 We also haven't seen many lefty starters, which is likely when our stats will jump up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 11, 2013 Author Share Posted April 11, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 09:50 AM) We also haven't seen many lefty starters, which is likely when our stats will jump up. All of 1, and they should have won that game had Peavy not gotten torched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 09:57 AM) All of 1, and they should have won that game had Peavy not gotten torched. Not to mention, he's not exactly the stat-padding variety of lefty starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Twins - no lefty starters until Diamond comes back (unless you count Pedro Hernandez) Indians- no lefty starters until Kazmir is ready, if that. Tigers- no lefty starters Royals- no lefty starters So, that's 47% of the schedule. Edited April 11, 2013 by flavum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 10:57 AM) All of 1, and they should have won that game had Peavy not gotten torched. Placing that game on Robin, it was clear Peavy was done, but Robin sent him back out to face the heart of the order. Sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kageman129 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Albert Belle Article An interview with Albert Belle about a bunch of stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 03:02 PM) Twins - no lefty starters until Diamond comes back (unless you count Pedro Hernandez) Indians- no lefty starters until Kazmir is ready, if that. Tigers- no lefty starters Royals- no lefty starters So, that's 47% of the schedule. Yikes, didn't realize that. Flowers might not hit over .180 this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 AJ's OBP was no great shakes. The White Sox take the power in their park over OBP we need to live with that. Where do they rank as team in OPS that is the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 12:27 PM) AJ's OBP was no great shakes. The White Sox take the power in their park over OBP we need to live with that. Where do they rank as team in OPS that is the issue. 12th at .707. League average .751. Edited April 11, 2013 by flavum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 08:45 AM) Almost every team goes through an 8-game stretch like that during the season. Just so happens the Sox did it during the first 8 games Oh come on now, this team has very little on base skill. Call a spade a spade. It's a boom or bust hit a jack or you're toast lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 12:41 PM) Oh come on now, this team has very little on base skill. Call a spade a spade. It's a boom or bust hit a jack or you're toast lineup. Yeah, I know they aren't gonna lead the world in OBP. But they aren't gonna finish last in the league under .300, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 02:06 PM) Yeah, I know they aren't gonna lead the world in OBP. But they aren't gonna finish last in the league under .300, that's for sure. Last year the Sox got a cumulative .286 OBP out of 3b and .324 out of catcher, and those 2 positions are the ones that turned over in the offseason. I still will find it difficult to believe we haven't upgraded OBP at those 2 positions. We were 7th in the AL in OBP last year overall at .318. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Don Cooper will rest at home the remainder of the road trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Indians rearranged their rotation a little bit with the rain outs. Today--Quintana vs Masterson Saturday-- Sale vs McAllister Sunday-- Peavy vs Myers Monday--Floyd vs Buehrle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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