witesoxfan Posted April 12, 2013 Author Share Posted April 12, 2013 The White Sox were 17-21 on May 18th last year. They looked like a mediocre, terrible, .500 team. In fact, it was actually a pretty damn good team that had a pretty terrible collapse over the last 2 weeks of the season that brought them to only 8 games over .500 (Pyth W-L was 88-74). They don't look good right now, but in 2 weeks time, they could look great. It's a long season, and anyone making judgment calls right now is doing the same thing as predicting the entire Bears' season based off of 1 game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 04:02 PM) The White Sox were 17-21 on May 18th last year. They looked like a mediocre, terrible, .500 team. In fact, it was actually a pretty damn good team that had a pretty terrible collapse over the last 2 weeks of the season that brought them to only 8 games over .500 (Pyth W-L was 88-74). They don't look good right now, but in 2 weeks time, they could look great. It's a long season, and anyone making judgment calls right now is doing the same thing as predicting the entire Bears' season based off of 1 game. To be fair, around May 18th, the Sox also had gotten what, a .400 OPS out of 3rd base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 03:10 PM) To be fair, around May 18th, the Sox also had gotten what, a .400 OPS out of 3rd base? So far we've gotten about half of that out of 3B... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 03:02 PM) The White Sox were 17-21 on May 18th last year. They looked like a mediocre, terrible, .500 team. In fact, it was actually a pretty damn good team that had a pretty terrible collapse over the last 2 weeks of the season that brought them to only 8 games over .500 (Pyth W-L was 88-74). They don't look good right now, but in 2 weeks time, they could look great. It's a long season, and anyone making judgment calls right now is doing the same thing as predicting the entire Bears' season based off of 1 game. I said it before. I'll keep saying it... We need 50 wins by July 8 to have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 03:14 PM) I said it before. I'll keep saying it... We need 50 wins by July 8 to have a chance. The reality is that all of our games against the Tigers come in the second half of the season. Unless we bomb the first half of the season, we have a chance in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 03:43 PM) The reality is that all of our games against the Tigers come in the second half of the season. Unless we bomb the first half of the season, we have a chance in the second half. Yeah, but the Sox can't beat them. It ridiculous to think we'll go better than 8-11 vs the Tigers. Sox have to go 50-38 before playing the Tigers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 09:48 PM) Yeah, but the Sox can't beat them. It ridiculous to think we'll go better than 8-11 vs the Tigers. Sox have to go 50-38 before playing the Tigers. Hopefully the Sox players don't share your pessimism Edited April 12, 2013 by elrockinMT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 someone needs to make a gamethread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 03:48 PM) Yeah, but the Sox can't beat them. It ridiculous to think we'll go better than 8-11 vs the Tigers. Sox have to go 50-38 before playing the Tigers. If you honestly believe that, you won't be watching much baseball this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 12, 2013 Author Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 04:25 PM) someone needs to make a gamethread maybe you should stop b****ing about it and do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 6m Rios has hit in 16 straight and all 10 this season. More on Rios to come soon on http://whitesox.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 MLB OBP 1. Detroit, .362 28. SOX, .280 29. CUBS, .265 MLB BB 1. OAK/ARIZONA, 42 2. SOX, 15 MLB ERRORS 3. SOX, 9 30. Tigers, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 13, 2013 -> 05:39 AM) MLB OBP 1. Detroit, .362 28. SOX, .280 29. CUBS, .265 MLB BB 1. OAK/ARIZONA, 42 2. SOX, 15 MLB ERRORS 3. SOX, 9 30. Tigers, 1 Yet the Tigers are only 1 game in front of the Sox. Bodes well as we all know the Sox will hit and catch the ball better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Joey Votto has more walks than the White Sox. 18-15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 QUOTE (oldsox @ Apr 15, 2013 -> 07:45 AM) Joey Votto has more walks than the White Sox. 18-15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 13, 2013 -> 06:11 AM) Yet the Tigers are only 1 game in front of the Sox. Bodes well as we all know the Sox will hit and catch the ball better. Wait. We know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 15, 2013 Author Share Posted April 15, 2013 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 15, 2013 -> 11:04 AM) Wait. We know that? Pretty good possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 15, 2013 -> 12:04 PM) Wait. We know that? It's hard for us to be worse on some of these levels. We have the lowest OBP in baseball right now of .273. Last year these same players were at .317 for the year, and that's with a .280 OBP out of 3b for the full year. The same thing can be said about Detroit's bullpen. They may not be good, but they're not going to put up a 5.59 ERA the whole year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 15, 2013 Author Share Posted April 15, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 15, 2013 -> 12:18 PM) It's hard for us to be worse on some of these levels. We have the lowest OBP in baseball right now of .273. Last year these same players were at .317 for the year, and that's with a .280 OBP out of 3b for the full year. The same thing can be said about Detroit's bullpen. They may not be good, but they're not going to put up a 5.59 ERA the whole year. Addison Reed can stay at 0, but Chris Sale has to come down from 5.21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 An article titled "White Sox need to stop swinging so much" There's a big issue going on here with the White Sox: They've drawn just 16 walks in 12 games, the major reason they're 13th in the AL in runs scored despite ranking third in home runs. That's 14 fewer walks than any other AL club. Besides Dunn, the major culprits are notorious free swingers Dayan Viciedo (no walks in 34 PAs) and Alexei Ramirez (one in 46 PAs), plus Conor Gillaspie (none in 27 PAs) and Alejandro De Aza (two in 52 PAs). It's simple, really: It's difficult to string together big innings without getting guys on base, so unless you're hitting for a high average (which the White Sox aren't), you need some walks mixed in. The White Sox are drawing walks at less than half the pace they did last year, when they ranked 11th in the AL in walk percentage. Here's how the White Sox have fared offensively the past five years: 2013: 15th in walk rate (3.7%), 3rd in home runs, 13th in runs 2012: 11th in walk rate (7.5%), 3rd in home runs, 4th in runs 2011: 8th in walk rate (7.7%), 9th in home runs, 11th in runs 2010: 12th in walk rate (7.6%), 4th in home runs, 7th in runs 2009: 6th in walk rate (8.7%), 6th in home runs, 12th in runs This could just be a blip in early scheduling -- they've faced a lot of strike-throwers so far with the likes of James Shields, Blake Beavan, Felix Hernandez, Hisashi Iwakuma, Jordan Zimmermann and Dan Haren, but it's still a troubling sign. The White Sox rank 11th in swing percentage on pitches outside the zone but first in percentage of swings -- meaning they swing at more pitches than any other club. The White Sox scored runs last season because they hit 211 home runs, but that's a precarious way to make a living. If they don't come close to that figure again they're not going to finish fourth in runs scored again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 15, 2013 -> 03:24 PM) An article titled "White Sox need to stop swinging so much" I wonder if Ventura even knows this stuff....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 An article titled "White Sox need to stop swinging so much" In other news, the sky is blue and John Boehner is orange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I had a weird thought last night that I wanted to record here, just in case it happens. Seattle sours on Jesus Montero because Zunino keeps raking and they extend a revived Kendrys Morales. Sox acquire Montero over the offseason for some pitching prospects because Flowers isn't very good and Konerko retires and they figure he can play first if he never learns to catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Apr 16, 2013 -> 11:55 AM) I had a weird thought last night that I wanted to record here, just in case it happens. Seattle sours on Jesus Montero because Zunino keeps raking and they extend a revived Kendrys Morales. Sox acquire Montero over the offseason for some pitching prospects because Flowers isn't very good and Konerko retires and they figure he can play first if he never learns to catch. Are we certain that Montero is any better than Tyler Flowers? He hasn't proven anything on the MLB level yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 16, 2013 -> 12:03 PM) Are we certain that Montero is any better than Tyler Flowers? He hasn't proven anything on the MLB level yet. Ditto. Wouldn't give up starting pitching prospects for him. Replacement for Konerko has to be a youngish player with credentials to be middle-of-the-order hitter. Yep, easier said than done, but that's what it has to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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