Frustrating.

[Marty34]

Again, it isn't about this. It is about the "fans" who said that the only thing holding them back from attending more games was price.

 

That has been changed, and still (yes it's early) fans didn't show up. Hope the numbers go up, but if the impact isn't made, so will the ticket prices. Same attendance with lower prices won't last.

 

To be honest, I could really give a crap if people show or not. I don't mind being the only person in my row. I like the space. I like using the restroom quickly. I like not waiting in line forever for my drinks or food.

 

What I do mind is people (not you Marty) saying that it is a price thing when it is clearly more than that.

 

Put a number on to what acceptable attendance would have been.

[bigruss]

Jesus, even with my meager $30K yearly pay, giving $4,500 to a baseball team seems excessive. People have monthly payments to make towards rent or mortgage as well as car, insurance, phone, credit card, cable, utility, and any other assorted payments they may have as well.

 

15% is an absurd amount of money. You might be able to get away with an argument for 5%, which is still a ridiculously high standard (which would still be $1,500 a year from me, which is a crazy amount of money - between beer, tickets, and food, the most I've spent on myself at a baseball game is $70). If you maintain 15%, then there might be like 5 fans - Jerry Reinsdorf included - that you would suggest are doing their part.

Pretty sure Marty was not actually claiming people should spend 15% of their salary on the Sox.

[Steve9347]

I'd much rather watch the game at a bar where beer is of bountiful choice and much more affordable and watch the game most of the time.

[My_Sox_Summer]

Put a number on to what acceptable attendance would have been.

 

25k would have been nice.

[Chicago White Sox]

There's no point in worrying about attendance right now. You simply don't get a ton of walk-ups in April.

 

Once it gets warm out and if the team is still playing well, then we can see if the price changes made a difference.

[bmags]

There's no point in worrying about attendance right now. You simply don't get a ton of walk-ups in April.

 

Once it gets warm out and if the team is still playing well, then we can see if the price changes made a difference.

 

/thread

[caulfield12]

They did get right around 25K last year for the same Sunday home game, but it was against the Tigers, so hard to compare.

 

Since 25% is the max or limit usually for a mortgage payment, and 10%+ for tithing, I'm hoping he was being facetious.

 

If not, it's an argument with no rationality behind it. We might as well be arguing that people should be required to donate XXX amount of money to Sox Charities for attending games as well, since the food banks and places like Harvesters have been so hard hit since 2008.

 

Marty asked a business where the customer isn't always right...the White Sox are treated just as much like churches and non-profits by local governments than they are a non-profit organization. That's why there are thousands of protesters and numerous statistical analyses attempting to prove how much of a waste of taxpayer funding that most stadium projects are...

 

So I can't think of any for profit businesses that are so profitable which are also so supported/subsidized by the government besides the oil industry...but that's an argument for another day and forum. Not to mention their anti-trust exemption, which clearly demarcates them as a different type of business than any other in American cultural/historical tradition.

Edited April 8, 2013 by caulfield12

[bmags]

They did get right around 25K last year for the same Sunday home game, but it was against the Tigers, so hard to compare.

 

Since 25% is the max or limit usually for a mortgage payment, and 10%+ for tithing, I'm hoping he was being facetious.

 

If not, it's an argument with no rationality behind it. We might as well be arguing that people should be required to donate XXX amount of money to Sox Charities for attending games as well, since the food banks and places like Harvesters have been so hard hit since 2008.

 

Marty asked a business where the customer isn't always right...the White Sox are treated just as much like churches and non-profits by local governments than they are a non-profit organization. That's why there are thousands of protesters and numerous statistical analyses attempting to prove how much of a waste of taxpayer funding that most stadium projects are...

 

So I can't think of any for profit businesses that are so profitable which are also so supported/subsidized by the government besides the oil industry...but that's an argument for another day and forum. Not to mention their anti-trust exemption, which clearly demarcates them as a different type of business than any other in American cultural/historical tradition.

 

 

Come on, guys, it was clearly a joke. Marty has been arguing it's silly to blame the fans for not showing up, then turns around and says fans should donate 15%?

[IlliniKrush]

Outside of the absurdity of judging 3 April games to make this thread, anyone else find it ironic that a guy that attended games for what, a total of $500 last year, is calling out other fans?

 

I'm willing to bet there are people on here that attend 2-3 games per year with their families and spend more money with the Sox than he does.

 

Grabbing free tickets left and right doesn't make you a great fan by itself, or put you in position to make this thread.

[Soxfest]

25k would have been nice.

It's early April and Sox played Seattle Sunday not much of a draw give it some time and this was first time the new Sunday promo went into effect.

Edited April 8, 2013 by Soxfest

[Balta1701]

They did get right around 25K last year for the same Sunday home game, but it was against the Tigers, so hard to compare.

What was the weather like on that specific day?

[My_Sox_Summer]

Outside of the absurdity of judging 3 April games to make this thread, anyone else find it ironic that a guy that attended games for what, a total of $500 last year, is calling out other fans?

 

I'm willing to bet there are people on here that attend 2-3 games per year with their families and spend more money with the Sox than he does.

 

Grabbing free tickets left and right doesn't make you a great fan by itself, or put you in position to make this thread.

 

53 games for $400.

 

And yes, I am calling out the fans that specifically said that if the price was lowered they would go to more games. Is it early? Of course. But the excitement should be there.

 

So spending more money makes you a better fan? Talk about absurdity. If you still don't understand why I did what I did last summer, I can't help ya. There are 50+ blog posts to help you understand it.

 

Taking advantage of deals and putting in effort beyond logging into Ticketmaster, isn't grabbing free tickets. And I am pretty sure any member of this board is allowed to make a thread about anything they want. You choose to respond to it or not.

[IlliniKrush]

53 games for $400.

 

And yes, I am calling out the fans that specifically said that if the price was lowered they would go to more games. Is it early? Of course. But the excitement should be there.

 

So spending more money makes you a better fan? Talk about absurdity. If you still don't understand why I did what I did last summer, I can't help ya. There are 50+ blog posts to help you understand it.

 

Taking advantage of deals and putting in effort beyond logging into Ticketmaster, isn't grabbing free tickets. And I am pretty sure any member of this board is allowed to make a thread about anything they want. You choose to respond to it or not.

1) Nowhere did I say that spending money makes you a better fan. However, it does help payroll more than spending less money.

 

2) Yeah, you did it for publicity. Congratulations.

 

3) Sure you can make a thread about whatever you want. Doesn't mean it makes any sense. You making assumptions out of essentially 3 games is similar to taking the Sox players' performance to date and calling them an all-star, a bust, etc. Sample size anyone?

[southsider2k5]

1) Nowhere did I say that spending money makes you a better fan. However, it does help payroll more than spending less money.

 

2) Yeah, you did it for publicity. Congratulations.

 

3) Sure you can make a thread about whatever you want. Doesn't mean it makes any sense. You making assumptions out of essentially 3 games is similar to taking the Sox players' performance to date and calling them an all-star, a bust, etc. Sample size anyone?

 

This should be the only post necessary in this thread. More fans= more payroll. The Sox fanbase is a pretty bandwagon group, good or bad. If they don't show up, neither does the payroll. It's not a judgement of morality or fandom, it is what it is.

[southsidepride15]

53 games for $400.

 

And yes, I am calling out the fans that specifically said that if the price was lowered they would go to more games. Is it early? Of course. But the excitement should be there.

 

So spending more money makes you a better fan? Talk about absurdity. If you still don't understand why I did what I did last summer, I can't help ya. There are 50+ blog posts to help you understand it.

 

Taking advantage of deals and putting in effort beyond logging into Ticketmaster, isn't grabbing free tickets. And I am pretty sure any member of this board is allowed to make a thread about anything they want. You choose to respond to it or not.

 

I think we all go to as many games a year as we can. If I had no other responsibilities, and either lived in the area or had a s***-ton of disposable income then I would be there rain or shine. The place is a mecca to most of us and just because you were resourseful/lucky enough to attend 50 games last year doesn't mean you need to get up on a soap-box about attendance (or lack thereof).

 

Congrats on "your Sox summer", I think it awesome and would love to be able to do that myself someday. With that said, so help me the next time I hear you claim that I am not a Sox fan because I haven't been to a game a week into the season because "tickets and parking are cheaper" I will find you and b**** slap you.

 

 

[longshot7]

Let's not forget that the marketing for this team thus far has been HORRIBLE - those stupid pie in the face TV spots etc.

 

We all love Brooks as a guy but the marketing last few years has been really shoddy, let's admit it.

[bmags]

Let's not forget that the marketing for this team thus far has been HORRIBLE - those stupid pie in the face TV spots etc.

 

We all love Brooks as a guy but the marketing last few years has been really shoddy, let's admit it.

 

Absolutely. If I did not read this board, I would not have known about $5 tickets or that ticket prices decreased. I don't even know what our "campaign" is this year.

[greg775]

No reason to not like this team. I am tired of the derrick rose team needs to be great on paper to care. If verlander's arm falls off the Sox are the best team in the division. Then what will fans b**** about.

 

If the team keeps this up, it will be a likeable team. Home runs flying out of the park in mighty cold weather. Wait til it heats up. If we keep winning home series like that and play .500 on the road, we'll be in the pennant race all season again.

[Steve9347]

If the team keeps this up, it will be a likeable team. Home runs flying out of the park in mighty cold weather. Wait til it heats up. If we keep winning home series like that and play .500 on the road, we'll be in the pennant race all season again.

Only to fall apart in the final month again.

[NorthSideSox72]

I think we all go to as many games a year as we can. If I had no other responsibilities, and either lived in the area or had a s***-ton of disposable income then I would be there rain or shine. The place is a mecca to most of us and just because you were resourseful/lucky enough to attend 50 games last year doesn't mean you need to get up on a soap-box about attendance (or lack thereof).

 

Congrats on "your Sox summer", I think it awesome and would love to be able to do that myself someday. With that said, so help me the next time I hear you claim that I am not a Sox fan because I haven't been to a game a week into the season because "tickets and parking are cheaper" I will find you and b**** slap you.

Was that last part really necessary? Let's tone it down a little bit.

 

I actually agree with you that it is a bit insulting to question people's fanhood because they haven't been to a game yet, one week into the season. I also agree with SS2K5 that the Sox fan base is fickle, that is just the way it is.

 

But, the OP also was specifically pointing to people who were complaining about ticket and parking prices - and he's right that they don't have much room to complain anymore. But it is also WAY too early to make a judgment on how the price changes will or won't hurt things.

 

[bigruss]

Was that last part really necessary? Let's tone it down a little bit.

 

I actually agree with you that it is a bit insulting to question people's fanhood because they haven't been to a game yet, one week into the season. I also agree with SS2K5 that the Sox fan base is fickle, that is just the way it is.

 

But, the OP also was specifically pointing to people who were complaining about ticket and parking prices - and he's right that they don't have much room to complain anymore. But it is also WAY too early to make a judgment on how the price changes will or won't hurt things.

Wasn't OD sold out?

 

If others feel like me, it hasn't felt like baseball weather and going to the ballpark hasn't been on my mind quite yet. I've been making plans for later in the summer but with the rain and cold I'm not thinking "oh hey, perfect day for an impromptu Sox game."

[My_Sox_Summer]

1) Nowhere did I say that spending money makes you a better fan. However, it does help payroll more than spending less money.

 

2) Yeah, you did it for publicity. Congratulations.

 

3) Sure you can make a thread about whatever you want. Doesn't mean it makes any sense. You making assumptions out of essentially 3 games is similar to taking the Sox players' performance to date and calling them an all-star, a bust, etc. Sample size anyone?

 

And if more people showed up, there would be more money. I understand that it is early, but if the fans aren't excited at the beginning of the year, I doubt when it is hot and or we are 10 games out, they will be coming in droves.

 

Well, you really missed the point (I wonder if you even read the blog honestly) of why I did what I did. That's cool, no worries.

[Balta1701]

And if more people showed up, there would be more money. I understand that it is early, but if the fans aren't excited at the beginning of the year, I doubt when it is hot and or we are 10 games out, they will be coming in droves.

 

Well, you really missed the point (I wonder if you even read the blog honestly) of why I did what I did. That's cool, no worries.

I'd be more likely to show up for a game with a team 10 games out and a day where it's 90 degrees than one where the season is 4 days old and there's a chance it'll be 40 degrees.

[My_Sox_Summer]

I think we all go to as many games a year as we can. If I had no other responsibilities, and either lived in the area or had a s***-ton of disposable income then I would be there rain or shine. The place is a mecca to most of us and just because you were resourseful/lucky enough to attend 50 games last year doesn't mean you need to get up on a soap-box about attendance (or lack thereof).

 

Congrats on "your Sox summer", I think it awesome and would love to be able to do that myself someday. With that said, so help me the next time I hear you claim that I am not a Sox fan because I haven't been to a game a week into the season because "tickets and parking are cheaper" I will find you and b**** slap you.

 

I will be at the park all spring / summer / fall, come say hi.

[NorthSideSox72]

And if more people showed up, there would be more money. I understand that it is early, but if the fans aren't excited at the beginning of the year, I doubt when it is hot and or we are 10 games out, they will be coming in droves.

 

Well, you really missed the point (I wonder if you even read the blog honestly) of why I did what I did. That's cool, no worries.

Graf 1, history says you are wrong - people come out in bigger numbers in summer even in down years, this trend has existed time eternal.

 

Graf 2... what on earth are you talking about?