Balta1701 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 05:30 PM) One thing I can promise we aren't trading for is starting pitching. Closest thing we have to a "Hard throwing righty" in the system is Castro...be nice if he could pull everything together this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 04:33 PM) Closest thing we have to a "Hard throwing righty" in the system is Castro...be nice if he could pull everything together this year. We have at least 7 major league ready starting pitchers, and that is without any prospects taking the next step. We aren't trading for any SPs. We'd be more likely to trade one away, than to add any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 03:34 PM) We have at least 7 major league ready starting pitchers, and that is without any prospects taking the next step. We aren't trading for any SPs. We'd be more likely to trade one away, than to add any. The problem is that none of them have any value on the trade market, unless there's a huge market for Jake Peavy nobody knows about. I think everyone in baseball is waiting to see if he'll rebound from the 2nd half of 2012 and look like the same guy he was in the first half. Quintana, Axelrod and Danks, no way. Floyd...marginal prospect. That leaves Sale, who's not going anywhere, and Santiago, who probably will end up realizing his potential with another organization should they actually go ahead and trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 04:13 PM) You want to take on that contract? I'm not sure I do. Suuuuure, why not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 04:38 PM) The problem is that none of them have any value on the trade market, unless there's a huge market for Jake Peavy nobody knows about. I think everyone in baseball is waiting to see if he'll rebound from the 2nd half of 2012 and look like the same guy he was in the first half. Quintana, Axelrod and Danks, no way. Floyd...marginal prospect. That leaves Sale, who's not going anywhere, and Santiago, who probably will end up realizing his potential with another organization should they actually go ahead and trade him. You don't think Peavy has a ton of value?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 04:38 PM) The problem is that none of them have any value on the trade market, unless there's a huge market for Jake Peavy nobody knows about. I think everyone in baseball is waiting to see if he'll rebound from the 2nd half of 2012 and look like the same guy he was in the first half. Quintana, Axelrod and Danks, no way. Floyd...marginal prospect. That leaves Sale, who's not going anywhere, and Santiago, who probably will end up realizing his potential with another organization should they actually go ahead and trade him. Quintana and Axelrod have value as guys that can be held for six years, same with Santiago. Floyd is an expiring deal and a guy who gets 200 IP a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 04:43 PM) You don't think Peavy has a ton of value?? In this day and age, that contract is a steal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 That's if Peavy's arm bounces back from 2012. Time will tell. Washington has a great team, so we won't know enough to go on until May or June with Peavy. He pitched well his first time out. Yeah, Quintana would be under team control...assuming you have the Quintana of May-June-July 2012 and not the "bad" version of him...of course that has value, but if you were an opposing GM, what would you actually give up of value to acquire him at this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 04:58 PM) That's if Peavy's arm bounces back from 2012. Time will tell. Washington has a great team, so we won't know enough to go on until May or June with Peavy. He pitched well his first time out. Yeah, Quintana would be under team control...assuming you have the Quintana of May-June-July 2012 and not the "bad" version of him...of course that has value, but if you were an opposing GM, what would you actually give up of value to acquire him at this point? Think of the trade market for left handed starting pitching. Even if he emerges as a #5 type arm, he has big value for being under control for six years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 03:55 PM) In this day and age, that contract is a steal. Of course, some said the same thing about Danks' deal, too. If he continues to pitch like he did against DET last year, in "big" games or down the stretch over the final 6 weeks, I wouldn't consider us to be stealing money from him exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 03:59 PM) Think of the trade market for left handed starting pitching. Even if he emerges as a #5 type arm, he has big value for being under control for six years. You've just made another argument on behalf of Hector Santiago starting. So if that has "big value," why does such a dynamic arm get consigned to the least important role on the pitching staff? They're definitely not maximizing his value in any way, shape or form. IF IF IF Quintana could put up Gavin Floyd's numbers going forward (minus the K's, which will never match up), sure. Are you willing to bet on Quintana doing so? Any team in contention that needs a filler in the back of their rotation will go with the veteran Floyd over Quintana. And teams that aren't in contention aren't going to be desperate to trade for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 05:04 PM) You've just made another argument on behalf of Hector Santiago starting. So if that has "big value," why does such a dynamic arm get consigned to the least important role on the pitching staff? They're definitely not maximizing his value in any way, shape or form. IF IF IF Quintana could put up Gavin Floyd's numbers going forward (minus the K's, which will never match up), sure. Are you willing to bet on Quintana doing so? Any team in contention that needs a filler in the back of their rotation will go with the veteran Floyd over Quintana. And teams that aren't in contention aren't going to be desperate to trade for him. The alternative is to pay full price on the trade market. I think you are forgetting that, or ignoring it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 04:13 PM) You want to take on that contract? I'm not sure I do. If the White Sox would turn down a Quintana-for-Verlander deal because of Verlander's contract this organization is really messed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 05:18 PM) If the White Sox would turn down a Quintana-for-Verlander deal because of Verlander's contract this organization is really messed up. They like Drew Smyly more than Quintana, anyway. The White Sox would never take on that contract, and the Tigers would never trade him, certainly not to the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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