southsider2k5 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 08:50 AM) If we're doing that can we just bring back Frank Thomas? Please? Maybe Joe Jackson too? We could use some OBP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 08:51 AM) Maybe Joe Jackson too? We could use some OBP. Remember, our second basemen just went down too so you may as well bring Eddie Collins with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 The flip flop sounds good but it also stacks 3 righties in a row. Not sure if that's a good thing or not. Kepp and De Aza have to do a better job getting on base because Rios is hot right now. What about if we did... 1 De Aza 2 Kepp 3 Gilespie 4 Rios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 10:21 AM) The flip flop sounds good but it also stacks 3 righties in a row. Not sure if that's a good thing or not. Kepp and De Aza have to do a better job getting on base because Rios is hot right now. What about if we did... 1 De Aza 2 Kepp 3 Gilespie 4 Rios Then either Dunn or Konerko is hitting 6th. That's too low for either one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 10:21 AM) The flip flop sounds good but it also stacks 3 righties in a row. Not sure if that's a good thing or not. Kepp and De Aza have to do a better job getting on base because Rios is hot right now. What about if we did... 1 De Aza 2 Kepp 3 Gilespie 4 Rios Wow, Gillaspie should not be batting third under any circumstances. I get that's he been hitting well, but there's a reason we got him for a minor league relief prospect a week before the season. Keep him in the 7 hole to break up some of the low contact, right-handed hitters we have down there. Also, Rios is pretty close to even against RHP & LHP over the course of his career and while Paulie is better against LHP he's no slouch against RHP. I don't there's much of an issue having three right-handed batters in a row when two of them are Rios & Konerko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 10:56 AM) Then either Dunn or Konerko is hitting 6th. That's too low for either one of them. Well since Dunn is all or nothing player, he'd do a good job breaking up the "low obp/contact" hitters in the bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (Butter Parque @ Apr 11, 2013 -> 08:50 PM) Just make Adam Dunn go away please. Ha. This would be so nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 10:58 AM) Wow, Gillaspie should not be batting third under any circumstances. I get that's he been hitting well, but there's a reason we got him for a minor league relief prospect a week before the season. Keep him in the 7 hole to break up some of the low contact, right-handed hitters we have down there. Also, Rios is pretty close to even against RHP & LHP over the course of his career and while Paulie is better against LHP he's no slouch against RHP. I don't there's much of an issue having three right-handed batters in a row when two of them are Rios & Konerko. We need people who can friggin' hit in succession to score some fuggin' runs but you have a point that they fare well against either type of pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 11:10 AM) Well since Dunn is all or nothing player, he'd do a good job breaking up the "low obp/contact" hitters in the bottom. The third spot in the lineup is for your best all around hitter. At this point that is Rios, certainly not Gillaspie. The fourth spot in the lineup is for your best power hitter, which is very clearly Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 11:12 AM) The third spot in the lineup is for your best all around hitter. At this point that is Rios, certainly not Gillaspie. The fourth spot in the lineup is for your best power hitter, which is very clearly Dunn. I know about the rules but how many times has Dunn just killed a rally with a big stinkin' whiff. He's a liability in the 4 hole with his approach. He has to change it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 (edited) It bears noting that Gillaspie has been doing great things sans protection in the lineup. Give him some and maybe he surprises you. I know we're built for win-now, but I'd love for this year to result in the development of these 25-ish year old guys that we have (Conor, Flowers, Hector) Could Conor bat second against some righties? I think it's not crazy seeing as how Kepp is noticeably lesser against them. Edited April 12, 2013 by Jose Paniagua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 11:12 AM) The third spot in the lineup is for your best all around hitter. At this point that is Rios, certainly not Gillaspie. The fourth spot in the lineup is for your best power hitter, which is very clearly Dunn. There are different theories to this. I generally subscribe to the one where you want your best hitter in cleanup, your second best 5th, and your 3rd best 3rd (assuming they aren't OBP driven players, whom I would hit leadoff). This way, if your leadoff hitter gets on with nobody out, your cleanup hitter should get a shot to bring him in (as well as anybody that got on in front). If they go 1-2-3 in the first, you have the cleanup hitter leading off the next inning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 11:28 AM) It bears noting that Gillaspie has been doing great things sans protection in the lineup. Give him some and maybe he surprises you. I know we're built for win-now, but I'd love for this year to result in the development of these 25-ish year old guys that we have (Conor, Flowers, Hector) Could Conor bat second against some righties? I think it's not crazy seeing as how Kepp is noticeably lesser against them. I wouldn't exactly call us "built to win now". We are in a definite transition between generations. If we were win now, guys like AJ, Buehrle, and TCQ would still be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkfan Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 I don't know who it was, but whoever suggested Adam Dunn choking up on the bat; That's one of the best laughs I've had in a while. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 08:43 AM) Come on now, we're not taking Dunn out of the lineup. He hasn't been that bad, at least not since 2011. The problem is with De Aza, Keppinger, & Rios at the top of the lineup, guys with solid OBP and speed (at least De Aza & Rios), having Dunn's all or nothing approach in the cleanup spot is killing us. We need to flip flop him and Paulie. Let's take advantage of Konerko's significantly better contact abilities and not strand all these baserunners when Dunn fails to hit a HR. I'm cool with Dunn batting behind Konerko. PK is so slow that it's almost always going to take two hits to drive him from 1st. Having Dunn's all or nothing approach is fine there. I just don't see any value in batting Dunn in front of Konerko. 5. Dunn 6. Viciedo 7. Ramirez 8. Flowers 5, 6, and 8 are going to K 400 times. It goes deeper than than batting order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (Hawkfan @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 11:29 AM) I don't know who it was, but whoever suggested Adam Dunn choking up on the bat; That's one of the best laughs I've had in a while. Thank you. When you stop laughing, you might want to read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/15/sports/b...ed=all&_r=0 In addition, a big man, with long arms and a long bat which he holds all the way down on the knob, is going to take longer to reach the "zone". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 All I know is that you can't polish a turd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 01:26 PM) All I know is that you can't polish a turd. Tell that to UCLA, they are trying their hardest to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 01:05 PM) 5. Dunn 6. Viciedo 7. Ramirez 8. Flowers 5, 6, and 8 are going to K 400 times. It goes deeper than than batting order. You still have to try maximizing your production using the talent you currently have on your roster. I can't think of any argument for why Dunn should bat ahead of Konerko, at least not in his current form (i.e. a .200 hitter). As for the bottom half of the lineup, there is no solution unless Viciedo & Flowers improve with experience. I haven't liked what I've seen out of them so far, but it's only been 9 games. It's way too early to jump to conclusions on them. The only good news for the Sox is that Rios is straight beasting right now and making up for some of the other players' lackluster starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 02:19 PM) You still have to try maximizing your production using the talent you currently have on your roster. I can't think of any argument for why Dunn should bat ahead of Konerko, at least not in his current form (i.e. a .200 hitter). As for the bottom half of the lineup, there is no solution unless Viciedo & Flowers improve with experience. I haven't liked what I've seen out of them so far, but it's only been 9 games. It's way too early to jump to conclusions on them. The only good news for the Sox is that Rios is straight beasting right now and making up for some of the other players' lackluster starts. roids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 I agree. I definitely think Dunn needs to be dropped to 5th or 6th. Konerko is starting to hit the ball, meanwhile Dunn is striking out 1/3rd of his at bats again. I'm sorry, but his occasional homerun and walk does not replace the fact that his averages have been pathetic since his arrival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Again, I wish with a runner on third and the extreme version of the shift against him, I wish Dunn would figure out how to drop one down the 3rd base line. Even if he could only get it down half of the time, it would be a more positive outcome than waiting for the about 10% chance of a home run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 After watching Dunn play this weekend, I'm now totally on board with just letting him go. I can't see how we'd be any worse of a baseball team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Apr 15, 2013 -> 09:20 AM) After watching Dunn play this weekend, I'm now totally on board with just letting him go. I can't see how we'd be any worse of a baseball team. Dunn is now doing exactly what people asked him to do. He's swinging earlier in the count, trying to make more contact, and taking fewer walks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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