StrangeSox Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Best possible outcome it seems here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Does Mass have the death penalty? I don't know, but this is a Federal case so it doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:17 PM) Does Mass have the death penalty? Federal crime, so it's irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:19 PM) Federal crime, so it's irrelevant. What about the killing of the police officer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:17 PM) The Feds may not want to take the deal unless he has a good story to tell and cooperates. They may also not want to go to trial with him and bring back people's emotions over the event and create a high-risk environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) What about the killing of the police officer? Killing the police officer may fall under state jurisdiction, but the Federal case will take precedence. He needs to pull out a map and learn where Terre Haute is. He's going to spend a lot of time there. Edited April 20, 2013 by HickoryHuskers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Until we know motive its impossible to guess what is going to happen next. For all we know this guy will want a trial where he can get on stage and say whatever he wants to say. Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:20 PM) What about the killing of the police officer? I have no idea if that would be prosecuted under a state crime, but since it is in commission of a federal crime, the federal government may be able to bring it along under a the federal crime. Not sure how supplementary jurisdiction works with criminal procedure. Regardless, he will be prosecuted under a federal crime at the very least, which has the penalty of capital punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 They may also not want to go to trial with him and bring back people's emotions over the event and create a high-risk environment. Unless he has co-conspirators to give up, the Feds will not take a plea for anything less than the death penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:23 PM) He continues to emphasis his jackassery at great times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:23 PM) ...Donald Trump needs to STFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:23 PM) Unless he has co-conspirators to give up, the Feds will not take a plea for anything less than the death penalty. lol what? So youre saying that they are offering him 0 incentive to plea? Why does the US govt even want to put him on trial? Its only a chance for him to be on stage and become a martyr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:23 PM) gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 lol what? So youre saying that they are offering him 0 incentive to plea? Why does the US govt even want to put him on trial? Its only a chance for him to be on stage and become a martyr. Unless he has information he can provide, he will not be offered any incentive to plea. Not for this level of terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 09:29 PM) lol what? So youre saying that they are offering him 0 incentive to plea? Why does the US govt even want to put him on trial? Its only a chance for him to be on stage and become a martyr. The government would do that to get the death penalty. This guy blew up an 8 year old kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:31 PM) Unless he has information he can provide, he will not be offered any incentive to plea. Not for this level of terrorism. Then the govt is stupider than I thought. You put him in jail and throw away the key. No reason to take any risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:29 PM) lol what? So youre saying that they are offering him 0 incentive to plea? Why does the US govt even want to put him on trial? Its only a chance for him to be on stage and become a martyr. QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:31 PM) Unless he has information he can provide, he will not be offered any incentive to plea. Not for this level of terrorism. You dont want people to have to re-live the emotions of these days. Prosecutors don't want to deal with such a messy case. They want the guy to go away and be out of the spotlight as soon as possible. Keeping him in the news for the next two years is not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:31 PM) The government would do that to get the death penalty. This guy blew up an 8 year old kid. Maybe he did. But youre right, its better to take unnecessary risk because the death penalty is somehow worse than life in prison. Life in solitary is the worst punishment possible. Death penalty is a gift. He is going to die anyway, if he is guilty, he deserves to suffer in jail for the rest of his days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Then the govt is stupider than I thought. You put him in jail and throw away the key. No reason to take any risk. There is zero risk. They have him on tape placing one of the bombs, and they told the guy whose SUV they stole that they did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:36 PM) There is zero risk. They have him on tape placing one of the bombs, and they told the guy whose SUV they stole that they did it. Nope there is no risk of creating a super high profile terrorist and parading them on tv, so that they can spout terrorist propaganda and then get to be martyred. Whats done is done. You put him in jail for the rest of his life and call it a day. No need to create a legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) Nope there is no risk of creating a super high profile terrorist and parading them on tv, so that they can spout terrorist propaganda and then get to be martyred. Whats done is done. You put him in jail for the rest of his life and call it a day. No need to create a legend. Was Timothy McVeigh more of a legend or a martyr because he was executed instead of rotting in prison? If you want to argue that the death penalty shouldn't exist, that's fine, but as long as it exists and it is considered the maximum penalty, that's what the government is obligated to pursue. Edited April 20, 2013 by HickoryHuskers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:23 PM) Trump can go f*** himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:44 PM) Was Timothy McVeigh more of a legend or a martyr because he was executed instead of rotting in prison? If you want to argue that the death penalty shouldn't exist, that's fine, but as long as it exists and it is considered the maximum penalty, that's what the government is obligated to pursue. Legend. Far more remembered than Ted Kacysnki. I wasnt even sure if he was dead or alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 The thing I will find interesting is if they will send him to prison or will they deport him back to Russia... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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