Explosions at end of Boston Marathon

[Jenksismyhero]

This is the reason it is so difficult for a short term in prison not to be a de facto lifetime punishment. Go to prison, be raped and beaten, nobody cares, get out, lose all of your rights, have everyone ask why you won't be a productive citizen.

 

Here's an idea: don't commit crime and you won't have those problems!

[StrangeSox]

The "culture" of prison rape is no more than the "culture" of shivving or the "culture" of beatings in prison. It's a bunch of horrible people confined to one area. Unless you have these idiots on lockdown 24/7, there's no avoiding rape in prison any more than you can avoid rape outside of prison. Bad people do bad things. In this case, it's a bunch of men who want to f*** something and sometimes the thing they f*** happens to be an inmate that has not given his consent.

 

I don't see why you're concerned with this at all. Prison is prison. F*ck em.

Prison is full of low-level drug offenders and other non-violent people. It's filled with people who, for almost all of them, will one day be back in society. Even those who are truly horrible people and will never see outside of those walls again do not deserve extrajudicial punishment and rape. Prisoners still have rights and are still human beings.

 

Our prison system and our recidivism rates are so f***ed in large part because of exactly that attitude.

[StrangeSox]

I don't think we should encourage prison rape[...] As far as I'm concerned he deserves it.

 

That's a disgusting set of morals you've got there. Rape-as-punishment and you're perfectly fine with it.

Edited April 22, 2013 by StrangeSox

[Jenksismyhero]

That's a disgusting set of morals you've got there. Rape-as-punishment and you're perfectly fine with it.

 

 

"Or allow it to happen." Nice selective editing there.

[StrangeSox]

"Or allow it to happen." Nice selective editing there.

 

Don't really need anything but the last sentence to show how bankrupt your morals are

[Jenksismyhero]

Don't really need anything but the last sentence to show how bankrupt your morals are

 

So sorry I don't feel sympathy for a guy that killed and maimed innocent people.

[StrangeSox]

So sorry I don't feel sympathy for a guy that killed and maimed innocent people.

You don't need to feel sympathy for him (I sure as f*** don't) to 1) want him to be fully protected by his constitutional rights which don't evaporate once you're in prison, counselor, and 2) don't believe that anyone, anywhere deserves to be raped.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

You don't need to feel sympathy for him (I sure as f*** don't) to 1) want him to be fully protected by his constitutional rights which don't evaporate once you're in prison, counselor, and 2) don't believe that anyone, anywhere deserves to be raped.

 

I don't believe anyone, anywhere deserves to be blown up. So for the people who do those things I couldn't give two s***s about what ultimately happens to them. You reap what you sow.

[StrangeSox]

I don't believe anyone, anywhere deserves to be blown up. So for the people who do those things I couldn't give two s***s about what ultimately happens to them. You reap what you sow.

We have a legal system where people charged with crimes are afforded due process and where incarcerated people do not lose all of their rights.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

We have a legal system where people charged with crimes are afforded due process and where incarcerated people do not lose all of their rights.

 

We do? Oh thank God, I never knew that!

[StrangeSox]

We do? Oh thank God, I never knew that!

Well I think my confusion is understandable given the large number of people who don't want Dzhokhar to be afforded his constitutional rights, many of whom actively want them violated, and who are a-ok with rape, even going so far as to say that someone deserves it as extrajudicial punishment.

 

I don't see why Dzohkar's disgusting, appalling acts means we should lower our own moral standards.

[Jenksismyhero]

You don't need to feel sympathy for him (I sure as f*** don't) to 1) want him to be fully protected by his constitutional rights which don't evaporate once you're in prison, counselor, and 2) don't believe that anyone, anywhere deserves to be raped.

 

There's a difference between saying I want the state to condone prison rape and hope this guy is next in line, and saying that the state should not condone it and they should prevent it as much as they can, but if it happens to this kid i'm not going to cry myself to sleep and feel bad about it. He's the worst of the worst, and again, deserves everything coming his way.

Edited April 22, 2013 by Jenksismybitch

[StrangeSox]

There's a difference between saying I want the state to condone prison rape and hope this guy is next in line, and saying that the state should not condone it and they should prevent it as much as they can, but if it happens to this kid i'm not going to cry myself to sleep and feel bad for it. He's the worst of the worst, and again, deserves everything coming his way.

 

Nobody ever deserves rape. That's what you're saying that is appalling.

[Jenksismyhero]

Nobody ever deserves rape. That's what you're saying that is appalling.

 

Well, agree to disagree.

[illinilaw08]

There's a difference between saying I want the state to condone prison rape and hope this guy is next in line, and saying that the state should not condone it and they should prevent it as much as they can, but if it happens to this kid i'm not going to cry myself to sleep and feel bad for it. He's the worst of the worst, and again, deserves everything coming his way.

 

This is a pretty difficult issue for me. I think that this kid deserves everything he has coming to him. I also think that prison rape is a terrible problem and, making light of it allows the issue to go unchecked (didn't anyone watch SHAWSHANK?!). Wishing prison rape on the kid (which you did not do Jenks, I'm just making a general statement) means that prison rape is ok. And not everyone in prison will be rotting there for the rest of their lives.

 

The issue that, to me, is cut and dry is how this kid gets tried. He's a US citizen. He should not be shipped to Guantanamo. He should not be stripped of his constitutional right to trial (I think everyone should be concerned about the slippery slope of allowing government to declare a citizen an "enemy combatant" and strip their rights).

[Jenksismyhero]

This is a pretty difficult issue for me. I think that this kid deserves everything he has coming to him. I also think that prison rape is a terrible problem and, making light of it allows the issue to go unchecked (didn't anyone watch SHAWSHANK?!). Wishing prison rape on the kid (which you did not do Jenks, I'm just making a general statement) means that prison rape is ok. And not everyone in prison will be rotting there for the rest of their lives.

 

The issue that, to me, is cut and dry is how this kid gets tried. He's a US citizen. He should not be shipped to Guantanamo. He should not be stripped of his constitutional right to trial (I think everyone should be concerned about the slippery slope of allowing government to declare a citizen an "enemy combatant" and strip their rights).

 

This idea that society making light of prison rape leads to more prison rape is illogical. I don't guard prisoners. I don't come up with prison policy. I have nothing to do with the Illinois Department of Corrections. My personal opinion as to whether this kid deserves it - while at the same time maintaining that the state shouldn't allow it and should try to prevent it - doesn't affect how prisoners are treated by other prisoners. I don't WISH it, I just don't care if it happens to him.

 

I agree with your 2nd point.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

Well I think my confusion is understandable given the large number of people who don't want Dzhokhar to be afforded his constitutional rights, many of whom actively want them violated, and who are a-ok with rape, even going so far as to say that someone deserves it as extrajudicial punishment.

 

I don't see why Dzohkar's disgusting, appalling acts means we should lower our own moral standards.

 

It's not about wishing something like that directly upon him, it's just not caring. There's a difference in actively hoping for "insert incident here" to happen to him and just not caring about the possibility of said incident occurring. I think everyone is aware of what generally occurs in prisons around the country. Prison culture is amplified in the media and entertainment but "bad things" happen to people in there because the place is filled with bad people and short of constant watch or isolation, there's really no way to ensure someone's absolute safety from fellow inmates 100% of the time. And with that said, knowing what potential consequences of incarceration are, the crimes that this man committed that will land him there are heinous enough where I, and others, just simply don't care about his future well being. He hasn't earned it.

[Big Hurtin]

Hmmm

 

http://jesterscourt.cc/2013/04/23/boston-m...g-just-a-hunch/

 

[Chi Town Sox]

i don't watch Glenn Beck but he's supposedly dropping a major story today regarding this at 2 PM.

Edited April 22, 2013 by Chi Town Sox

[cabiness42]

i don't watch Glenn Beck but he's supposedly dropping a major story today regarding this at 2 PM.

 

Thanks for the warning. I'll get out the tinfoil.

 

[Chi Town Sox]

Thanks for the warning. I'll get out the tinfoil.

 

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/...boston-massacre

[RockRaines]

i don't watch Glenn Beck but he's supposedly dropping a major story today regarding this at 2 PM.

LOL. It amuses me at no end that there are people that ridiculously stupid in this world.

[StrangeSox]

LOL. It amuses me at no end that there are people that ridiculously stupid in this world.

unfortunately at least four Representatives are citing him for "Media Reports" in a letter they sent to the DOJ.

[Chicago White Sox]

I don't see why Dzohkar's disgusting, appalling acts means we should lower our own moral standards.

Why do you feel domestic terrorists deserve the same rights as regular U.S. citizens? More importantly, why should we take the moral high road with known terrorists? This kid brutally murdered and mutilated dozens of people, destroying numerous people's lives in the process. He did so with the intent to create as much pain and suffering as possible for these innocent people.

 

Why does he get your sympathy when he took none on his victims? How would you feel if you were left a cripple or lost a loved one? I'm guessing you'd be singing a different tune. The moral high ground is always easy from an outside perspective.

 

I'm not for prison rape or torture or anything else you may refer to barbaric, but unfortunately prison is a dangerous place and bad things happen to inmates all the time. If something bad happens to poor little Dzohkar, I will feel no sympathy for him whatsoever. Pure evil doesn't deserve our sympathy.

[TaylorStSox]

Why do you feel domestic terrorists deserve the same rights as regular U.S. citizens? More importantly, why should we take the moral high road with known terrorists? This kid brutally murdered and mutilated dozens of people, destroying numerous people's lives in the process. He did so with the intent to create as much pain and suffering as possible for these innocent people.

 

Why does he get your sympathy when he took none on his victims? How would you feel if you were left a cripple or lost a loved one? I'm guessing you'd be singing a different tune. The moral high ground is always easy from an outside perspective.

 

I'm not for prison rape or torture or anything else you may refer to barbaric, but unfortunately prison is a dangerous place and bad things happen to inmates all the time. If something bad happens to poor little Dzohkar, I will feel no sympathy for him whatsoever. Pure evil doesn't deserve our sympathy.

How do you differentiate between a "domestic terrorist" and a normal citizen? Where does it begin and end? Is a gangbanger a "domestic terrorist?"