Explosions at end of Boston Marathon

[witesoxfan]

The cover of Rolling Stone? Outrageous. Next I'm going to read that they printed his actual name instead of He Who Must Not Be Named like we all agreed upon earlier.

 

mmmmm don't think it was Voldemort

[Balta1701]

mmmmm don't think it was Voldemort

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[lostfan]

I guess count me in the "uh, I don't get why this is a big deal" crowd

[Jenksismyhero]

Response from Rolling Stone:

 

Our hearts go out to the victims of the Boston Marathon bombing, and our thoughts are always with them and their families. The cover story we are publishing this week falls within the traditions of journalism and Rolling Stone’s long-standing commitment to serious and thoughtful coverage of the most important political and cultural issues of our day. The fact that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is young, and in the same age group as many of our readers, makes it all the more important for us to examine the complexities of this issue and gain a more complete understanding of how a tragedy like this happens. –THE EDITORS

 

WTF is complex about this tragedy? Are they going to say he was a victim of American commercialism or something?

 

Edit: yep, that's exactly what they're doing:

 

And yet a deeply fractured boy lay under that facade; a witness to all of his family's attempts at a better life as well as to their deep bitterness when those efforts failed and their dreams proved unattainable. As each small disappointment wore on his family, ultimately ripping them apart, it also furthered Jahar's own disintegration – a series of quiet yet powerful body punches. No one saw a thing.

 

Oh, poor baby. Clearly the answer is terrorism.

Edited July 17, 2013 by Jenksismybitch

[lostfan]

Rolling Stone is a pop culture magazine, but they do have a lot of actual journalism in there. Matt Taibbi for example is awesome. (He puts his political views up front, for you to see)

[lostfan]

Response from Rolling Stone:

 

 

 

WTF is complex about this tragedy? Are they going to say he was a victim of American commercialism or something?

Terrorism isn't a complex issue? Not sure you can get more complex than that

[EvilMonkey]

With Manson they didn't go out of their way to make him look cool. The cover with the bomber asswipe looks like it could be TigerBeat. A difference between reporting and trying to find the 'softer sife of bombing'. Poor guy was failed by his family and lured into blowing up people for Islam. Almost as if they are trying to do PR for the guy. That is where your outrage, faux or otherwise, is coming from

[Jenksismyhero]

Terrorism isn't a complex issue? Not sure you can get more complex than that

 

Sometimes it's really not. Sometimes it's just people hate other types of people and are willing to act on it. Articles like this make these douchebags victims, not terrorists.

 

It's disgusting that this asshole has little teeny bopper followers that SUPPORT him. And this type of article just furthers that nonsense.

[EvilMonkey]

Should have used a picture of him cowering in fear inside the boat instead of what looks like a modelling shoot. Maybe in handcuffs covered in dirt and blood.

[southsider2k5]

I'd be curious to see what the reaction would have been if they had done the same thing with Zimmerman.

[lostfan]

With Manson they didn't go out of their way to make him look cool. The cover with the bomber asswipe looks like it could be TigerBeat. A difference between reporting and trying to find the 'softer sife of bombing'. Poor guy was failed by his family and lured into blowing up people for Islam. Almost as if they are trying to do PR for the guy. That is where your outrage, faux or otherwise, is coming from

He was basically your average teenager until that, though. I haven't read the article but I have to imagine that's part of it, how did this ordinary weed-smoking teenager become a notorious terrorist? When people think of terrorists they think of a certain image or type of person, probably Arab or Pakistani, devout Muslim who prays 5 times a day, talks about and how they hate America, wants to kill soldiers, probably picture traditional dress too (even though none of them do that). That's not always true, there's different paths to radicalization and different degrees of it. Hence, "complexities"

 

if I said more w/o reading the actual article I would be talking out of my ass.

[lostfan]

Sometimes it's really not. Sometimes it's just people hate other types of people and are willing to act on it. Articles like this make these douchebags victims, not terrorists.

 

It's disgusting that this asshole has little teeny bopper followers that SUPPORT him. And this type of article just furthers that nonsense.

It's not really like that. I'll sound like a professor or something describing it but a whoooooooooooooole lot of them hate us but only a percentage actually support any kind of violence and only a relative handful actually are willing to be the ones to act. Like a big social matrix, and there's a series of catalysts to put a person on that path. It's not always obvious. In fact it almost never is.

[Soxbadger]

With Manson they didn't go out of their way to make him look cool.

 

 

LULZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

 

http://www.coverbrowser.com/covers/rolling-stone/2

 

"Charles Manson The Incredible Story of the Most Dangerous Man Alive"

 

 

Id say that tag line is doing just that.

 

[Jenksismyhero]

It's not really like that. I'll sound like a professor or something describing it but a whoooooooooooooole lot of them hate us but only a percentage actually support any kind of violence and only a relative handful actually are willing to be the ones to act. Like a big social matrix, and there's a series of catalysts to put a person on that path. It's not always obvious. In fact it almost never is.

 

The more you break it down, the more sympathetic and understanding they seem. This entire piece reads: "perfect little angel from a broken home and no country leans on his only role model, a more and more devout Muslim seeking jihad." They're painting a portrait of a kid who had no choice but to murder people.

[Soxbadger]

The more you break it down, the more sympathetic and understanding they seem. This entire piece reads: "perfect little angel from a broken home and no country leans on his only role model, a more and more devout Muslim seeking jihad." They're painting a portrait of a kid who had no choice but to murder people.

 

Why cant they break it down and say (and since neither of us have read the article who really knows where it goes):

 

"Regardless, nothing that happened in his life should have lead him to do what he did and he will soon find out that there is nothing glamorous about a life without parole."

 

For all I know someone reads that article and decides against doing something stupid because they dont want to spend the rest of their life in a cell.

Edited July 17, 2013 by Soxbadger

[Jenksismyhero]

Why cant they break it down and say (and since neither of us have read the article who really knows where it goes):

 

"Regardless, nothing that happened in his life should have lead him to do what he did and he will soon find out that there is nothing glamorous about a life without parole."

 

For all I know someone reads that article and decides against doing something stupid because they dont want to spend the rest of their life in a cell.

 

Read the article. No one is walking away from it that way. It ends with a story about him crying for 2 days in the hospital. The only mention of his potential punishment is on the last page.

[Steve9347]

Right so Rolling Stone putting Charles Manson on the cover...

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures...manson-28695264

 

That was 40 years ago, people now just fauxraging?

Indeed. It's very popular to fauxrage now because every idiot has a Facebook and Twitter account and can piss and moan.

[LittleHurt05]

With Manson they didn't go out of their way to make him look cool. The cover with the bomber asswipe looks like it could be TigerBeat. A difference between reporting and trying to find the 'softer sife of bombing'. Poor guy was failed by his family and lured into blowing up people for Islam. Almost as if they are trying to do PR for the guy. That is where your outrage, faux or otherwise, is coming from

 

I've been going back and forth on the issue, but I think you hit it right on the head. That picture of him makes him look like a teeny bopper, it tries to make him look like you should like the kid. If they used a mugshot or maybe the picture from the security cameras, I think people would be much less upset.

[Balta1701]

I've been going back and forth on the issue, but I think you hit it right on the head. That picture of him makes him look like a teeny bopper, it tries to make him look like you should like the kid. If they used a mugshot or maybe the picture from the security cameras, I think people would be much less upset.

Of course..."this seemingly normal kid decided to plant a bomb in the middle of boston" really is a big part of the story.

[LittleHurt05]

Of course..."this seemingly normal kid decided to plant a bomb in the middle of boston" really is a big part of the story.

 

That's the main reason I flip flop on it. The intent is not to glamorize him, it's to wonder how a "teeny bopper" plants a bomb next to an 8-year old. But for a victim, they don't care about that, they just don't like to see him portrayed in that manner.

[Balta1701]

That's the main reason I flip flop on it. The intent is not to glamorize him, it's to wonder how a "teeny bopper" plants a bomb next to an 8-year old. But for a victim, they don't care about that, they just don't like to see him portrayed in that manner.

Without having read the article, on the cover, they do say he "became a bomber and amonster"

[Buehrle>Wood]

 

I hate his female "fanbase".

[witesoxfan]

That makes me want to vomit.

[Jake]

I think people are really overreacting to this. I just don't see a way to avoid things like this - it IS interesting, seeing a picture of him on the cover makes me want to read the article. It doesn't make me or any other sane person think that he is cool. Detailing things about him that seemed good or dignified doesn't redeem his actions and I don't think anyone could really in good conscience take any other message away from it. An extremely small group of contrarians on the internet isn't going to change my viewpoint on that. Nobody of sound mind wants to be a killer, wants to go to prison forever, and wants

the infamy. People that want the infamy aren't going to be emboldened by this any more than they are by the intensive study of people like Hitler.

 

Deconstructing it, wondering what drives a person to this, wondering what things we could have done to prevent it, etc. just seems like a part of the process of dealing with a tragedy like this and not an unimportant one. People have gone crazy about different things that are speculated as causes in the article (by people being interviewed). Does anyone really think federal immigration policy CAUSED this? Probably not. Might it have been some part of the disillusionment with the USA? Yep, could possibly be. And if the policy is bad, maybe we should fix it. This is not to say the American government treated Jahar and his family poorly, but asking the question isn't out of line. We're not going to let Jahar off the hook and say, "sorry, we were mean, you were justified." That doesn't mean we can't learn from this.

 

I don't know if it's an awesome article, but putting a picture of the guy on the cover is simply not a big deal to me. Detailing how surprising his turn to terrorism was is not a problem for me. These should be topics of public conversation and you shouldn't be villified for trying to explore it from a point of view other than "he is the worst person ever, case closed, nothing to see here."

 

The picture on the cover does exactly what it should do. Part of the intrigue of the story is that he doesn't fit the public imagination's idea of a terrorist. He doesn't look like Osama Bin Laden. He didn't act like Osama Bin Laden. In the end, they went for similar causes. How? Why? Can we learn from it?

 

The other parts have been well-reported. We saw the live coverage of his arrest. We've seen the picture of him on the ground being arrested. We know all about the attacks and the carnage. I'm guessing we will continue to learn more and more about the victims as well. There was no more famous image from the events than the image of Carlos Arredondo in a cowboy hat leading an injured runner to safety.

 

To me, wondering about Jahar doesn't diminish the victims or the attacks nor does it make Jahar a hero. The reason we care about Jahar and are so dismayed by his ability to fool even his closest friends is because it harmed US. Our kinship with the killed and injured fuels our interest.

[BigSqwert]

Where are we, North Korea? Freedom of speech and press and all that jazz. If you're offended then don't buy it.