4/16 Games

[flavum]

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Charlotte playing. Sanchez has his 9th walk this year. It can be done.

[flavum]

Carlos Sanchez with a single.

 

Depending on how things go the next couple weeks, I wouldn't mind if he played 2B for the Sox everyday until Beckham comes off the DL.

[flavum]

...and another Sanchez single, and stolen base.

[Chicago White Sox]

Carlos Sanchez with a single.

 

Depending on how things go the next couple weeks, I wouldn't mind if he played 2B for the Sox everyday until Beckham comes off the DL.

Over Keppinger? Dude is 10/31 on the road trip. There's absolutely no reason to rush Sanchez and start his arbitration clock.

[flavum]

Over Keppinger? Dude is 10/31 on the road trip. There's absolutely no reason to rush Sanchez and start his arbitration clock.

 

I really don't care about that arb clock stuff. I just don't. Chris Sale got brought up a month after he signed, and we're all pretty happy with him.

 

As far as Keppinger--he can play 3B, 2B, 1B, DH. And really, he shouldn't play every day anyway. Maybe 3 out of 4 days.

 

I think if the team just tanks the next couple weeks and Sanchez continues to do good things, give him May in the big leagues while Beckham is gone.

Edited April 16, 2013 by flavum

[NorthSideSox72]

I really don't care about that arb clock stuff. I just don't. Chris Sale got brought up a month after he signed, and we're all pretty happy with him.

 

As far as Keppinger--he can play 3B, 2B, 1B, DH. And really, he shouldn't play every day anyway. Maybe 3 out of 4 days.

 

I think if the team just tanks the next couple weeks and Sanchez continues to do good things, give him May in the big leagues while Beckham is gone.

Why?

 

If the team is tanking, and you think the season is a lost cause, then you might as well develop Sanchez until at least any moves at the trade deadline. But if you think the team can still compete, you clearly need to go with Keppinger, who has proven he can hit pretty well in the majors. Either way, bringing up Sanchez now or in May makes little sense.

 

[Chicago White Sox]

I really don't care about that arb clock stuff. I just don't. Chris Sale got brought up a month after he signed, and we're all pretty happy with him.

 

As far as Keppinger--he can play 3B, 2B, 1B, DH. And really, he shouldn't play every day anyway. Maybe 3 out of 4 days.

 

I think if the team just tanks the next couple weeks and Sanchez continues to do good things, give him May in the big leagues while Beckham is gone.

You realize that Carlos Sanchez is 20 years old right? That this is only his third season in America? We've already been incredibly aggressive with him, let him spend a few months in AAA and continue to develop without the pressures of being in the big leagues. It's not like he's a finished product. What does he or the Sox gain from a one month callup?

 

As for Sale, it's not like we lost a year of abritration because of the initial callup. Regardless, not caring about a young player's service time is very short-sighted. You always want to turn your good young players into 6 1/2 years of service time if possible (unless they can help you win) rather than 5 1/2 to 6 years. There's a reason the Rays do this consistently. Theo & the Cubs are also doing the same thing. There is a lot of surplus value that can be attained if service time is managed correctly.

[Marty34]

You realize that Carlos Sanchez is 20 years old right? That this is only his third season in America? We've already been incredibly aggressive with him, let him spend a few months in AAA and continue to develop without the pressures of being in the big leagues. It's not like he's a finished product. What does he or the Sox gain from a one month callup?

 

As for Sale, it's not like we lost a year of abritration because of the initial callup. Regardless, not caring about a young player's service time is very short-sighted. You always want to turn your good young players into 6 1/2 years of service time if possible (unless they can help you win) rather than 5 1/2 to 6 years. There's a reason the Rays do this consistently. Theo & the Cubs are also doing the same thing. There is a lot of surplus value that can be attained if service time is managed correctly.

 

Don't care what Theo and the Cubs are doing. For the White Sox the surplus value of service time is inconsequential when the big picture is considered. The Sox paid Chris Sale, they'll pay Carlos Sanchez if he is worthy.

[flavum]

Pretty good start for Rienzo. I guess that's something.

[fathom]

Jared Mitchell has K'd in 76 of his 169 official at bats in AAA during his career. It's to the point with him I wouldn't mind the Sox trading him for another high potential, low production player in another organization if he has any value left.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Jared Mitchell has K'd in 76 of his 169 official at bats in AAA during his career. It's to the point with him I wouldn't mind the Sox trading him for another high potential, low production player in another organization if he has any value left.

 

Go by PA, not AB.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

Carlos Sanchez with a single.

 

Depending on how things go the next couple weeks, I wouldn't mind if he played 2B for the Sox everyday until Beckham comes off the DL.

 

So you're all for rushing Sanchez up a level but you don't forget to let everyone know every day how awful it is for them to be rushing Hawkins up a level. Gotcha.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

So you're all for rushing Sanchez up a level but you don't forget to let everyone know every day how awful it is for them to be rushing Hawkins up a level. Gotcha.

 

Hawkins is a top prospect. Carlos Sanchez is a fringe utility player. I'm not worried about them rushing him either, because he's not a prospect worth protecting in my opinion.

[southsider2k5]

I really don't care about that arb clock stuff. I just don't. Chris Sale got brought up a month after he signed, and we're all pretty happy with him.

 

As far as Keppinger--he can play 3B, 2B, 1B, DH. And really, he shouldn't play every day anyway. Maybe 3 out of 4 days.

 

I think if the team just tanks the next couple weeks and Sanchez continues to do good things, give him May in the big leagues while Beckham is gone.

 

Weren't you just complaining about Hawkins being too rushed?

[witesoxfan]

Hawkins is a top prospect. Carlos Sanchez is a fringe utility player. I'm not worried about them rushing him either, because he's not a prospect worth protecting in my opinion.

 

You are literally the only person I've seen who follows baseball that considers Carlos Sanchez a fringe utility player. He's 20 years old and hitting .300+ with good plate discipline at very advanced levels. He's constantly mentioned among the top prospects in an ever-improving White Sox system and has been as high as #61 in the game lists I've seen.

[Chicago White Sox]

Don't care what Theo and the Cubs are doing. For the White Sox the surplus value of service time is inconsequential when the big picture is considered. The Sox paid Chris Sale, they'll pay Carlos Sanchez if he is worthy.

So what's the big picture benefit of calling up Carlos Sanchez right now? You don't think the White Sox are capable of winning this year, so unless you think he'll develop faster at the major league level (which makes no sense) I can't see a benefit to waste his service time.

[Jerksticks]

 

 

If Hawkins makes it to AAA when he's 20 I will do backflips. 20! He's 20 man! Not even a grown man, killing 22-35 year olds right now.

[Marty34]

So what's the big picture benefit of calling up Carlos Sanchez right now? You don't think the White Sox are capable of winning this year, so unless you think he'll develop faster at the major league level (which makes no sense) I can't see a benefit to waste his service time.

 

Not advocating bringing him up right now just saying service time does not matter. That said, he is in AAA so the organization thinks he's close. I don't think they're going to wait until he's 23 or something before he's promoted.

[fathom]

Hawkins moved down in the order...wonder if they'll demote him if this keeps up.

[Chicago White Sox]

Not advocating bringing him up right now just saying service time does not matter. That said, he is in AAA so the organization thinks he's close. I don't think they're going to wait until he's 23 or something before he's promoted.

How about they wait until he turns 21 in June? We're talking about a kid who's currently hitting .250 in 10 games. I get that our offense has sucked and has been painful to watch, but that is not a good reason to rush a prospect who is probably already the youngest player in AAA. At least give him a few months, make him show he can hit AAA pitching for an extended period of time before calling him.

 

And I couldn't disagree more about service time not mattering. Giving up a year of control of a good, young player for no reason is definitely stupid. How people can argue otherwise blows my mind. And again, let me reiterate that winning would be a good reason to forego service time. Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of other good reasons.

[southsider2k5]

How about they wait until he turns 21 in June? We're talking about a kid who's currently hitting .250 in 10 games. I get that our offense has sucked and has been painful to watch, but that is not a good reason to rush a prospect who is probably already the youngest player in AAA. At least give him a few months, make him show he can hit AAA pitching for an extended period of time before calling him.

 

And I couldn't disagree more about service time not mattering. Giving up a year of control of a good, young player for no reason is definitely stupid. How people can argue otherwise blows my mind. And again, let me reiterate that winning would be a good reason to forego service time. Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of other good reasons.

 

Especially if you want the team to go into an active rebuilding stage, you want players under control as long as possible.

[Marty34]

How about they wait until he turns 21 in June? We're talking about a kid who's currently hitting .250 in 10 games. I get that our offense has sucked and has been painful to watch, but that is not a good reason to rush a prospect who is probably already the youngest player in AAA. At least give him a few months, make him show he can hit AAA pitching for an extended period of time before calling him.

 

And I couldn't disagree more about service time not mattering. Giving up a year of control of a good, young player for no reason is definitely stupid. How people can argue otherwise blows my mind. And again, let me reiterate that winning would be a good reason to forego service time. Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of other good reasons.

 

Service time matters for once-in-a-generation prospects (Harper, Trout.) Should be taken into consideration for elite prospects (Stanton), but for the rest should not matter.

[QuickJones81]

Interesting note from the Birmingham game, Chattanooga not only started CJ Retherford at 3B, but had Gregory Infante come in out of the pen.

[QuickJones81]

Micah Johnson another productive night when the rest of the lineup was silent. 2 for 3, 2 rbi, and his 12th stolen base of the year.

 

Brennan had a very disappointing night though. 5.2 ip 10 h 6 er 1 bb 1 k.... ouch

 

Hopefully Rienzo uses this start to get some momentum turned in the right direction.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

You are literally the only person I've seen who follows baseball that considers Carlos Sanchez a fringe utility player. He's 20 years old and hitting .300+ with good plate discipline at very advanced levels. He's constantly mentioned among the top prospects in an ever-improving White Sox system and has been as high as #61 in the game lists I've seen.

 

I just don't trust he will ever amount to more than a backup or utility infielder type. He doesn't impress me.